SCOTUS case: Trans rights for minors

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UNCatTech said:
I'm sure every case is unique and family dynamics are unique.

I would hope that if my child were in this situation, that they would come to us. But then my wife and I are not the types that would try and control the situation and force our preferred outcome on the situation.
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Think back several years…..or, think about the parents in the church you used to attend.

How many of those parents would freak out at the idea of a trans child or a pregnant teenage daughter?
 
Zoo_View said:
Think back several years…..or, think about the parents in the church you used to attend.

How many of those parents would freak out at the idea of a trans child or a pregnant teenage daughter?
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True. Several actually did.

It's interesting that from that church, we know 4 couples who have LBGTQ children.
 
superrific said:
I don't even understand why you would be asking this question. One reason they aren't gotcha questions is they can't possibly "get" anyone.

1. Liberals think trans and abortion should both be legal and available. So there's no question of hypocrisy. It's not as if we are saying, "trans people should get care, but similarly situated cis women shouldn't." We're saying, "everyone should get care."

2. Whether or not the child makes the decision by theirself or has parental involvement doesn't seem like an important issue in this debate at all. What about the position that "it's not the state's business" is taking sides about whether parents should be involved? That's not the issue. I mean, if you want to make it the issue, I don't really care. It would change nothing, because parental consent is already required. It's required 99% of the time for medical care for minors.

3. The reason that abortion is treated differently -- well, one reason I suppose -- is that parents often have ulterior agendas on this one. Some significant percentage of girls who secretly get abortions are impregnated by their father or a c

Does this answer your curiosity questions?
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I wasn't asking for answers, just opinions. And now I have yours.

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ZenMode said:
I'm sure there are kids who truly, from the age they are able to speak and understand gender, feel like they are in the wrong body. I'm also confident that some portion of the rapidly increasing transgender population is not in the category of the aforementioned example.

The problem differentiating between the two categories to ensure that life-changing surgeries are only being performed when it's appropriate.

I wouldn't expect the government to look at the situation and decide the course of action. It would be a matter of the government outlawing surgeries until the person is an adult.

I found a Reuters article that shows, between 2019 and 2021, 56 genital surgeries and 776 mastectomies on 13-17 year olds.
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In February 2026, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) issued a position statement recommending that surgeons delay gender-related breast/chest, genital, and facial surgeries until a patient is at least 19 years old.

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In February 2026, the American Medical Association (AMA) stated that, due to insufficient evidence, gender-affirming surgical interventions for minors should generally be deferred until adulthood. While supporting evidence-based, gender-affirming care, the AMA aligned with the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) in recommending this approach. This marks a shift toward caution regarding surgical procedures for transgender minors.


Good to see that the medical world is joining the evil, transphobic Republicans in a common sense position.
 
ZenMode said:
Google AI

In February 2026, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) issued a position statement recommending that surgeons delay gender-related breast/chest, genital, and facial surgeries until a patient is at least 19 years old.

Full ASPS statement

Full AMA statement
In February 2026, the American Medical Association (AMA) stated that, due to insufficient evidence, gender-affirming surgical interventions for minors should generally be deferred until adulthood. While supporting evidence-based, gender-affirming care, the AMA aligned with the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) in recommending this approach. This marks a shift toward caution regarding surgical procedures for transgender minors.


Good to see that the medical world is joining the evil, transphobic Republicans in a common sense position.
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As you are aware, surgical intervention in minors is vanishingly rare. Republicans also oppose options short of surgery, including puberty blockers, which is not mentioned here in the slightest.

Are you fine banning nose jobs and breast augmentation for minors?
 
Nose jobs and breast augmentation are not irreversible changes. I'm not sure why a minor should be getting breast surgery if it's purely cosmetic but regardless it can be reversed if they later decide it wasn't the right decision. As I've always said I'm a liberal but I ain't no Carrboro liberal. I'd prefer for people to have a completely formed brain before they chop their dick off. However, anything truly reversible I'm fine with for minors.
 
ZenMode said:
Google AI

In February 2026, the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) issued a position statement recommending that surgeons delay gender-related breast/chest, genital, and facial surgeries until a patient is at least 19 years old.

Full ASPS statement

Full AMA statement
In February 2026, the American Medical Association (AMA) stated that, due to insufficient evidence, gender-affirming surgical interventions for minors should generally be deferred until adulthood. While supporting evidence-based, gender-affirming care, the AMA aligned with the American Society of Plastic Surgeons (ASPS) in recommending this approach. This marks a shift toward caution regarding surgical procedures for transgender minors.


Good to see that the medical world is joining the evil, transphobic Republicans in a common sense position.
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Do you ever argue in good faith?

Republicans are indeed transphobic in every possible way. Physicians align with them on something that 99% of the population agrees on and that occurs less than 300 times per year in a nation of 300 million. That is only worth mentioning if you are intentionally trying to be divisive and dickish.

I don't know anyone who supports surgical intervention being some commonplace treatment (or even an outlier) for Trans minors. I do recognize that some people might be afraid of an outright ban because of the infringement on the domain of Healthcare patient/doctor relationships. Even those arguments are rare.

So...surgical intervention shouldn't happen in children for Trans issues. Full stop.

Republicans are absolutely Trans phobic and have been mean, hurtful, and wildly discriminatory in their approach. Equal full stop.
 
roostra said:
As you are aware, surgical intervention in minors is vanishingly rare. Republicans also oppose options short of surgery, including puberty blockers, which is not mentioned here in the slightest.

Are you fine banning nose jobs and breast augmentation for minors?
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And yeah, id honestly personally be fine (in theory) banning such things for purely cosmetic reasons because I think the vast majority of those lead to worse body issues down the road. Let children make their own decisions about surgery when they are an adult. My only reluctance about a ban is that there are always outlier cases where medical provider, parent, and child are of one accord that cosmetic alteration is best for the child and cannot wait. I'd hate to punish those kids.
 
Finally the fever has broken and common sense returns on eliminating these surgeries.

Now, if we could just stop pumping mentally ill teens with gender changing hormones we can reduce trans mass shootings.
 
Ramrouser said:
Finally the fever has broken and common sense returns on eliminating these surgeries.

Now, if we could just stop pumping mentally ill teens with gender changing hormones we can reduce trans mass shootings.
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The fever has definitely broken. Unfortunately, we’ll have to wait another three years before any semblance of common sense can return.
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According to the Gun Violence Archive (GVA), there were 5,748 mass shootings between Jan 1, 2013 and September 15, 2025 in the U.S. Of that number, there have been five confirmed transgender shooters, GVA told FactCheck.org. That means that transgender individuals were responsible for less than 0.1% of incidents over that time period.

Despite being less than 2% of the U.S. adult population, transgender people are four times as likely to be victims of crime. GLAAD’s ALERT Desk has tracked more than 2,100 anti-LGBTQ incidents from June 2022 – December 2024, including 750+ incidents specifically targeting transgender and nonbinary people.

Far-right extremism is increasing and surpasses terrorism committed by others, Politifact reports. These groups tend to engage in violence that often targets LGBTQ people, and promotes anti-LGBTQ views.

In summary, transphobes can fuck all the way off.
 
lawtig02 said:
The fever has definitely broken. Unfortunately, we’ll have to wait another three years before any semblance of common sense can return.
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Yawn. Second term President having bad polling issues. This will be mitigated by the booming economy that will kick in this year.

Now show me a graph showing the popularity of the Democrats in Congress.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
Nose jobs and breast augmentation are not irreversible changes. I'm not sure why a minor should be getting breast surgery if it's purely cosmetic but regardless it can be reversed if they later decide it wasn't the right decision. As I've always said I'm a liberal but I ain't no Carrboro liberal. I'd prefer for people to have a completely formed brain before they chop their dick off. However, anything truly reversible I'm fine with for minors.
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I am proud to have been a Carrboro liberal for 45 years ,and I take great personal offense at you dissing me in this post.
I demand an immediate apology or I will put you on super ignore:mad:
 
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wmheel1287 said:
Do you ever argue in good faith?

Republicans are indeed transphobic in every possible way.
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I hope the irony of your first two sentences isn't missed.
wmheel1287 said:
Physicians align with them on something that 99% of the population agrees on and that occurs less than 300 times per year in a nation of 300 million.
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Nonsense. 99% of the population was not opposed. I'd bet that most Liberals and LGBTQ supported GAS for minors. Just read the opinions on this forum. Read the responses, like yours, to people who said "No, we shouldn't let children decide to cut their genitals off". The response, as you modeled above, was "You don't know anything. This is between the doctors and the families. This surgery is saving lives. We are following the research and you're just transphobic."
wmheel1287 said:
That is only worth mentioning if you are intentionally trying to be divisive and dickish.
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Irony.
wmheel1287 said:
I don't know anyone who supports surgical intervention being some commonplace treatment (or even an outlier) for Trans minors.
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Not any more, you don't.
wmheel1287 said:
I do recognize that some people might be afraid of an outright ban because of the infringement on the domain of Healthcare patient/doctor relationships. Even those arguments are rare.

So...surgical intervention shouldn't happen in children for Trans issues. Full stop.

Republicans are absolutely Trans phobic and have been mean, hurtful, and wildly discriminatory in their approach. Equal full stop.
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You are either dishonest or haven't been reading the broad support for GAS for minors not only on this forum but across the Democratic Party.
 
LosPollosHermanos said:
Nose jobs and breast augmentation are not irreversible changes. I'm not sure why a minor should be getting breast surgery if it's purely cosmetic but regardless it can be reversed if they later decide it wasn't the right decision. As I've always said I'm a liberal but I ain't no Carrboro liberal. I'd prefer for people to have a completely formed brain before they chop their dick off. However, anything truly reversible I'm fine with for minors.
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I prefer people having a chance to freely listen to medical advice, councilors and therapists and make decisions based on their individual situation, issue and maturity. I still insist that it should be up to the parent, medical staff and the individual. Neither you are the government have any interest in this.

Choosing on the basis of such frivolity as the reversibility of body mutilation for cosmetic purposes primarily is not a very convincing argument , either although it's still not our busines.
 
ZenMode said:
I hope the irony of your first two sentences isn't missed.

Nonsense. 99% of the population was not opposed. I'd bet that most Liberals and LGBTQ supported GAS for minors. Just read the opinions on this forum. Read the responses, like yours, to people who said "No, we shouldn't let children decide to cut their genitals off". The response, as you modeled above, was "You don't know anything. This is between the doctors and the families. This surgery is saving lives. We are following the research and you're just transphobic."

Irony.

Not any more, you don't.

You are either dishonest or haven't been reading the broad support for GAS for minors not only on this forum but across the Democratic Party.
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finesse said:
I still insist that it should be up to the parent, medical staff and the individual.
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That's how it's been until recently when the medical side, that the parents trusted for sound medical advise, decided "You know, this probably isn't a good idea".
 
Misrepresent much? I broadly support the right of individuals to keep government out of their personal and medical decision. That period, not about GAS, not about cosmetic surgery. Those, to but also abortion, victimless crime or contraception or any of the other ways they choose to inflict some ill considered and self serving sense of ethics and morals on the public. Those things aren't their business and , despite their claims, against the best interests of our nations.
 
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