So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all

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Yes and it was probably received the same way as Little Mermaid, Snow White and other DEI/Woke actions by Disney or other companies.
Why are you insisting Snow White actress was hired for DEI reasons? By your own link and another I posted, she is apparently the best thing about the movie by far.
Is it impossible to you that she was hired because she was the best for the job? By all accounts she is supremely talented.
 
Why are you insisting Snow White actress was hired for DEI reasons? By your own link and another I posted, she is apparently the best thing about the movie by far.
Is it impossible to you that she was hired because she was the best for the job? By all accounts she is supremely talented.
For this poster, DEI is synonymous with minorities getting opportunities that should go to white people as they always have.

Sorry. For all right-wing whiners, this is what DEI means.
 
Are you mad because Charlton Heston played an Egyptian-born Moses?
A better question - is he going to be mad if Moses is ever again portrayed as being non-white, because by God, once an actor plays a role, that role must always be played in future productions by someone who looks exactly like that original actor (does it sound silly when said this way, because it sounds silly to me).
 
Why are you insisting Snow White actress was hired for DEI reasons? By your own link and another I posted, she is apparently the best thing about the movie by far.
Is it impossible to you that she was hired because she was the best for the job? By all accounts she is supremely talented.
I'm combining Woke and DEI into one cover-all idea of unnecessarily considering race when it shouldn't matter.

I haven't seen the new snow white or little mermaid. My kids are in college/high school and have no interest in such things, so I don't plan to watch unless they're on Disney+ or TV.
 
When the race of the character doesn’t matter to the story, I don’t understand why

you can Google (if you truly cared) and find dozens of examples of characters changing races and looks from original movies to remakes. You aren’t aware of it for a reason, and it is because nobody cared about things that don’t matter until the advent of MAGA.
There have been some race changes. I didn't see any that stood out as remakes of current movies. Some were remakes of TV cartoons or adaptations of books.

Like I mentioned earlier, this might be exacerbated by Disney's charge into Wokeness/DEI.
 
There have been some race changes. I didn't see any that stood out as remakes of current movies. Some were remakes of TV cartoons or adaptations of books.

Like I mentioned earlier, this might be exacerbated by Disney's charge into Wokeness/DEI.
This might be exacerbated by MAGAs suddenly and irrationally caring about things that don’t matter, driven to hysteria by right-wing media.
 
YOU ARE THE ONE INSISTING THAT THESE ACTORS SHOULD BE WHITE!
If you are going to remake an animated movie into a live action movie, yes. And it's not that it "matters" in the overall scheme of things. It's a movie. It changes nothing for anyone and it will change nothing in my life.
 
This might be exacerbated by MAGAs suddenly and irrationally caring about things that don’t matter, driven to hysteria by right-wing media.
I won't disagree. Turning mole hills into mountains is a feature of all media today.

Of course, Disneyland having male princesses only brings more attention to THEIR ridiculousness.
 
If you are going to remake an animated movie into a live action movie, yes. And it's not that it "matters" in the overall scheme of things. It's a movie. It changes nothing for anyone and it will change nothing in my life.

Your argument is that race is an essential characteristic of animated characters. Just sit with that for a moment, if you would.
 
Your argument is that race is an essential characteristic of animated characters. Just sit with that for a moment, if you would.
Yes, I have asked him why but he hasn’t yet articulated why it is important.
And not just for animated characters, for any character where race or other characteristics (hair color, height) where it has nothing to do with the plot.
 
TLDR: This argument is dumb and I hate you all for pulling me into it.

Race swapping has occurred for as long as race has been a social construct - For essentially 350 years, Othello was played almost entirely by white men. Black face is a thing... because it exists. White people have played native American, Asian, Hispanic, etc. characters in film for as long as movies have been made. Racially/ethnically ambiguous men such as Vin Diesel have made a career out of playing different races.

Long before that, gender swapping occurred consistently in theaters, and both male and female characters were almost always played by men. Indeed, gender swapping has been an integral part of a number of plays, particularly during the Renaissance. Shakespeare explored this humorously, and for emotional impact on and off during his career, most notably in As You Like It and The Two Gentlemen of Verona.

The most famous deliberate race swapping in a movie happened nearly 70 fucking years ago - West Side Story. Up until about a decade ago, it was shown in school for the purpose of discussing why race swapping of characters is interesting, particularly from a literary/cultural perspective.

And then high schools gave up on teaching Shakespeare, almost entirely, outside of a few freshman English classes and, out went West Side Story.

A couple of years after that, Disney, and some other studios began to take a hard look at their practices and realized that they really weren't doing a good job of "breaking the mold" in a variety of ways.

And so they did some original stories involving diverse characters - sometimes successfully, sometimes less so.

They also went back, particularly with this live action craze, and made some of their original characters more diverse.

Did they overcorrect some? Probably, yeah. All things are a pendulum.

But there was a reason for that overcorrection, and there were good intentioned purposes behind it.

Before Disney, Marvel and DC have been playing with "race swapped characters" in the comics since at least the late 60s, early 70s. This was largely a reaction to the caricatures of non-white characters in comics of the Golden Age, particularly as a form of propaganda during the WWII era.

What we are seeing now is an overreaction by the right to this overcorrection by studios/companies. It's been going on for about a decade, now, and has some pretty deep roots in how well received the new Star Wars movies were, and by who. I could write a dissertation length essay on how that particularly fandom fucked things up royally.

My guess is that the right is pushing this too much for the public's taste at the moment, just as the left probably was for awhile as well. I'm curious to see how this plays out, however, as right now the right continues to dominate the digital propaganda sphere - so I could definitely be wrong about how things play out.
 
Did they overcorrect some? Probably, yeah. All things are a pendulum.
When talking to MAGA, skip this point. It's only a first approximation to your overall point, and this will be the only part of the post that MAGA/Zen will absorb.

MAGA can't handle subtlety, so you kind of have to present things in binary. I know, it probably goes against all your instincts. It certainly goes against mine. I don't do a good job of not qualifying, but I'm trying.

I think binary versus non-binary thinking is an important determinant of political orientation, along with some other personality traits. People who think in binary gravitate to the simplified worldview presented by the demagogues. Good guys with guns versus bad guys with guns. Europe is good or Fuck Europe. DEI = all good or all bad.
 
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