So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all

[UNCatTech]

You're right. It could just be an incredible coincidence that the Biden admin has the first black female SCOTUS justice in US history (on which he called his shot, setting the stage for the assertions I'm making now), the highest ranking, openly transgender government official in US history and the first openly gay Cabinet secretary in U.S. history.

I mean, he literally checked every typical DEI box there is to check.

Yes, because the meritocracy wasn't working or we would have found candidates who weren't white men and women long ago.

You make a stupid argument, there will be a first for everything, what is sad is how long it took this country to achieve some of these first.

 

[UNCatTech]

@Paine I see I forgot one.

Chantel Wong - Wong is the first out lesbian and the first out LGBTQ person of color to receive the rank of an ambassador.

First Gay
First Lesbian
First Transgender
First Black Female

Incredible coincidence if not intentional

I guess there's a limit, only one first President? Or would you prefer we never have any of these first?

ZEN = the party of old white men.

 

[ZenMode]

Shouldn't have ever removed them. Fucking racist.

It was only removed for a couple days to be modified to remove references specifically talking about DEI:

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry​

By Stephen Losey
Monday, Jan 27, 2025
The Air Force is reinstating a basic training class Monday that was suspended last week for revisions, with its materials on World War II-era Black and female pilots intact but diversity, equity and inclusion components removed.

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry

The Air Force pulled the course for review last week following the Trump administration's sweeping order barring diversity programs.

www.airforcetimes.com

 

[finesse]

It was only removed for a couple days to be modified to remove references specifically talking about DEI:

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry​

By Stephen Losey
Monday, Jan 27, 2025
The Air Force is reinstating a basic training class Monday that was suspended last week for revisions, with its materials on World War II-era Black and female pilots intact but diversity, equity and inclusion components removed.

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry

The Air Force pulled the course for review last week following the Trump administration's sweeping order barring diversity programs.

www.airforcetimes.com

Newspeak.

 

[ChileG]

It was only removed for a couple days to be modified to remove references specifically talking about DEI:

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry​

By Stephen Losey
Monday, Jan 27, 2025
The Air Force is reinstating a basic training class Monday that was suspended last week for revisions, with its materials on World War II-era Black and female pilots intact but diversity, equity and inclusion components removed.

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry

The Air Force pulled the course for review last week following the Trump administration's sweeping order barring diversity programs.

www.airforcetimes.com

So all the republicans mentioned in the article, and all Trump supporters who called the action “malicious compliance” were wrong, then?
Why did they feel the need to lie, I wonder?

 

[Duke Mu]

 

[ZenMode]

So all the republicans mentioned in the article, and all Trump supporters who called the action “malicious compliance” were wrong, then?

Apparently so.

Why did they feel the need to lie, I wonder?

Not sure what the lie was. Seems more like a lack of having all the info... similar to all those who got bent out of shape about the so-called removal of Tuskegee airmen.

 

[superrific]

Being gay or trans isn't only about genitals but it is absolutely about genitals. If you're gay, you want your partner to have the same genitals as you. if you're trans, you believe your body has the wrong genitals.

This is not true. Many trans people never change their genitals, because they don't want to. Their problems are not with their bodies. It's not a genital mismatch. It's an identity mismatch. It's looking at your mom and dad when you're young and deciding that you really want to wear clothes like your mom's and not your dad's. Trans people frequently are trans before they even know what genitals do.

I sometimes wonder if I have some trans tendencies. I've long thought I would be happier as a woman (for one thing, I'm tall, blond and really skinny and while that's not a great thing for a man, it's pretty fucking great for a woman). I don't want to change my gender, but there might exist a universe in which I would. When I was a kid, my favorite superhero was Wonder Woman. I dressed up as Wonder Woman two years in a row for Halloween, when I was 4 and 5.

I know you don't want to hear any of this, because it punctures your comfortable mythmaking that trans people are just weirdos who are all about their genitals. But that's all it is, mythmaking. You are not describing trans people; you are just painting a picture of your own sordid imagination.

 

[UNCatTech]

It was only removed for a couple days to be modified to remove references specifically talking about DEI:

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry​

By Stephen Losey
Monday, Jan 27, 2025
The Air Force is reinstating a basic training class Monday that was suspended last week for revisions, with its materials on World War II-era Black and female pilots intact but diversity, equity and inclusion components removed.

Air Force reinstates course with Tuskegee Airmen video after outcry

The Air Force pulled the course for review last week following the Trump administration's sweeping order barring diversity programs.

www.airforcetimes.com

LET ME BE CRYSTAL CLEAR. I DON'T FUCKING CARE IF IT WAS TEN MINUTES, MY ORIGINAL POST IS STILL MY OPINION.

 

[4thgenheel]

gender is a social construct.

 

[SmilingJack]

For the record, I'm not saying that being gay is weird. What's weird is using sexual attraction as a reason to select an underqualified candidate.

I worded my sentence that way to emphasize just how weird and ridiculous It is to have that as a criteria.

Yet you can not provide any proof that was the criteria. You are a certified idiot.

 

[ZenMode]

This is not true. Many trans people never change their genitals, because they don't want to. Their problems are not with their bodies. It's not a genital mismatch. It's an identity mismatch. It's looking at your mom and dad when you're young and deciding that you really want to wear clothes like your mom's and not your dad's. Trans people frequently are trans before they even know what genitals do.

I sometimes wonder if I have some trans tendencies. I've long thought I would be happier as a woman (for one thing, I'm tall, blond and really skinny and while that's not a great thing for a man, it's pretty fucking great for a woman). I don't want to change my gender, but there might exist a universe in which I would. When I was a kid, my favorite superhero was Wonder Woman. I dressed up as Wonder Woman two years in a row for Halloween, when I was 4 and 5.

I know you don't want to hear any of this, because it punctures your comfortable mythmaking that trans people are just weirdos who are all about their genitals. But that's all it is, mythmaking. You are not describing trans people; you are just painting a picture of your own sordid imagination.

That's fine. I don't know where the dysphoria in gender dysphoria comes from if not from a contrast between what's going on in your head and what's going on with your body, but it's irrelevant to my point. The references to genitals is to show how ridiculous it is to take sexuality and gender dysphoria into consideration for hiring someone.

 

[superrific]

The references to genitals is to show how ridiculous I am.

This is a true statement. Not quite yours, but the translation is pretty good.

 

[roostra]

That's fine. I don't know where the dysphoria in gender dysphoria comes from if not from a contrast between what's going on in your head and what's going on with your body, but it's irrelevant to my point. The references to genitals is to show how ridiculous it is to take homosexuality and gender dysphoria into consideration for hiring someone.

Why are you okay with the clear evidence that prior administrations have hired people because they were straight white Protestant males? They were hired in numbers staggeringly higher than their proportion of the total population. That can't be a coincidence (which seems to be your bright line to decide whether someone has been hired for the wrong reasons).

 

[sringwal]

I see your point. Comparison partially withdrawn.

With that in mind @yellowjacket:

Robinson didn't lose the governor's race because he was black and Trump didn't win the presidency because he's white. Robinson was an inexperienced politician who just didn't have it running against a popular incumbent. Trump is a charismatic politician who successfully connected with the electorate.

As I said before, I will give you that the comparison is a shaky one. With that in mind - while Trump may not have been elected because he is white, I still posit that a non-white Trump would not have been elected. This may be a linguistic quibble, but is still critical to understand when discussing both the flaws and strengths of DEI and policy making.

 

[gtyellowjacket]

With that in mind @yellowjacket:

As I said before, I will give you that the comparison is a shaky one. With that in mind - while Trump may not have been elected because he is white, I still posit that a non-white Trump would not have been elected. This may be a linguistic quibble, but is still critical to understand when discussing both the flaws and strengths of DEI and policy making.

I honestly don't know. Trump is a pretty singular politician in the United states. So it's not like we have the Black version of Trump to compare. Now don't confuse me, I don't compare Obama to Trump in many ways, but they were both charismatic politicians that became president. Obama of course was very tan. So it's not like a black person couldn't become president.

So I'm just not sure where the argument is that if Trump was black he couldn't become president. Republicans have elected black men to other offices. Not many, but it's not impossible.

And of course there's nothing saying that a morally flexible, charismatic celebrity black-Trump couldn't drop the abortion and maybe even the DEI stuff and still run as a Democrat. Isolationism and anti-immigration could be his main platform. Probably be a little tougher to pass a tax break for wealthy people but package it as giving back to the middle class by dropping AMT and supercharging the economy by reducing corporate taxes and slip in some capital gains decreases, and you're right back to White Republican Trump.

 

[superrific]

The main appeal of Trump is the racism. A black Trump could not possibly get elected. That's in part because no self-respecting black person would ever be MAGA. Herschel Walker was a minstrel show and Byron Donalds is a complete joke.

We saw how well a black person can do as a candidate for national office. Tim Scott.

 

[ZenMode]

Why are you okay with the clear evidence that prior administrations have hired people because they were straight white Protestant males? They were hired in numbers staggeringly higher than their proportion of the total population. That can't be a coincidence (which seems to be your bright line to decide whether someone has been hired for the wrong reasons).

If there was reason to believe they were picking people solely because they are white, protestant and male, I wouldn't be ok with it.

I will say that non-Christians, regardless of party, have historically had difficulty progressing in politics. It's slightly changing now, but it'll be a very long time before we see an atheist president.

 

[SmilingJack]

If there was reason to believe they were picking people solely because they are white, protestant and male, I wouldn't be ok with it.

I will say that non-Christians, regardless of party, have historically had difficulty progressing in politics. It's slightly changing now, but it'll be a very long time before we see an atheist president.

JD Vance....case closed.

 

[UNCatTech]

That's fine. I don't know where the dysphoria in gender dysphoria comes from if not from a contrast between what's going on in your head and what's going on with your body, but it's irrelevant to my point. The references to genitals is to show how ridiculous it is to take sexuality and gender dysphoria into consideration for hiring someone.

I'm sure it is absolutely possible that you have your timelines wrong.

Maybe instead of let's hire a trans person the idea was let's hire the most qualified person. Then when that person turned out to be trans, they celebrated it because it's part of who that person is.