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So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all

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ChileG said:
You have never said what’s wrong with the actress playing Snow White. I posted an article with her picture.
Is she not white enough to play Snow White?
I guarantee you if there was no manufactured outrage about the actress, you would have no problem with her playing Snow White based solely on her looks.
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I think I did, but maybe not.

By itself, in a different time, there may be little to nothing "wrong" with her selection. In a time where Disney just replaced an very white, red-haired mermaid with a black woman, then replaces a very white character- "white as snow" as a matter of fact - with an olive skinned Hispanic woman, it smacks of DEI/Woke/politics, which appears was the path of Disney, though I think it will change.

On a side note, we went to Disneyland during my kids' fall break last year. I still drink Bud Light and, in fact, had many while watching Arizona Wildcats beat Akron, so I'm not one of those people.
 
I find it absolutely amazing that the cause of much of all of this, where we are right now in this country, all comes down to the fact that a significant part of our population is upset that Disney, which has a checkered path, wants to make stories for everyone.

A lot of folks on both sides of the aisle hate Disney. They are a corporation certainly, but they are also the creators of the closest thing we have left in this world to “magic.” And I don’t mean just in the Magic Kingdom way, but instead in a mythology way.

Disney, more than anything else, has been America’s mythos for nearly 100 years. It is our story.

Every one of us at some point in time has experienced a Disney movie that deeply moved us.

We have also all seen someone younger than us have that same reaction.

You know what it looks like.

For 80 years in this country Disney has been a reflection of America. For a long time though, it represented a very small portion of America and Americana.

As I said earlier, this needed to be rectified. For Americana to truly be representative of this country, it must be of all of this country. Langston Hughes put it as much in his nearly 100 year old poem, “Let America be A,Erica Again,” but which also includes the parenthetical line, “(America never was America to me.)”

More than anything else, I have a passion for modern mythology. Pantheons of gods and superheroes fascinate me because they represent so much of who we are as people.

Allow that “who Disney represents” to grow. There is room for so many types of stories in our world today. We can fight it, or we can be at the dawn of something legitimately good - a mythical world where all stories from all people are, eventually heard, and valued.
 
ZenMode said:
I think I did, but maybe not.

By itself, in a different time, there may be little to nothing "wrong" with her selection. In a time where Disney just replaced an very white, red-haired mermaid with a black woman, then replaces a very white character- "white as snow" as a matter of fact - with an olive skinned Hispanic woman, it smacks of DEI/Woke/politics, which appears was the path of Disney, though I think it will change.

On a side note, we went to Disneyland during my kids' fall break last year. I still drink Bud Light and, in fact, had many while watching Arizona Wildcats beat Akron, so I'm not one of those people.
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I’ve got some good news for you. Just saw an ad for Disney on Ice. All white. 100%
 
This is so silly - literally celebrating the failure of a movie because it dared to use minority characters in place of the traditional all-white ones. I've seen a good deal of criticism of remakes over the years from conservatives (not coincidentally, they were nearly always straight white males) complaining about a remake having a more diverse cast than the original. With the Battlestar Galactica remake they hated that Starbuck was turned into a woman (although that one proved to be pretty popular), they hated Star Trek: Discovery because it had an openly gay couple and black female captain, they hated the new Star Wars trilogy not because it was pretty bad (it was) but because the hero was a female Jedi (a "Mary Sue" as they kept calling her, although Luke Skywalker had many of her same traits). And if the movie or TV series is a flop then they go wild celebrating that it's a flop, and claiming that it flopped only because it had a "DEI" cast. Which means, of course, that they wanted a nearly all-white traditional cast like the original had. And no matter what they say this is what it always boils down to - how dare they feature gays or transgenders or non-whites instead of the original straight white folk that we expect! That's what they're pissy about, plain and simple, and their complaints and posts make that abundantly clear nearly every time.
 
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Ramrouser said:
I, for one, would welcome a black James Bond as long as:

1. He's British;
2. A rugged manly man;
3. Who likes women and martinis; and
4. Who looks good in a dinner jacket.

In other words, please just keep the traditional elements of the Bond series and I'm good.
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Wait until James Bond is gay.

Or, trans.
 
Most of y’all make me laugh. Many of you are intelligent and articulate.

Yet, you engage over and over and over again with trolls.
  • Do you think you’ll win?
  • Do you think you’ll change the troll’s mind?
  • Do you think anyone is reading your replies to the troll and thinking, “That’s an impressive statement?” Hint. Almost NO ONE is reading your interactions with the troll aside from MAYBE the troll. And, that’s doubtful.
Quit giving the trolls hard-ons.
 
superrific said:
For this poster, DEI is synonymous with minorities getting opportunities that should go to white people as they always have.

Sorry. For all right-wing whiners, this is what DEI means.
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Holy crap. Not sure how I missed this...

You sound like Trump. There are no "white jobs" any more than there are "black jobs".
 
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ZenMode said:
Holy crap. Not sure how I missed this...

You sound like Trump. There are no "white jobs" any more than there are "black jobs".
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I'm confused. Isn't a chief complaint of yours in this thread that portraying Snow White and/or Ariel are indeed "white jobs"?
 
wmheel1287 said:
I'm confused. Isn't a chief complaint of yours in this thread that portraying Snow White and/or Ariel are indeed "white jobs"?
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There are more and less qualified people for any job, but there are no white or black jobs. It made sense for Jamie Fox to play Ray Charles. That doesn't mean that portraying singers in a movie is a "black job".

It wouldn't make sense for Colin Farrell to play Ray Charles. That doesn't mean white people can't play singers in movies.
 
ZenMode said:
I didn't see the Hamilton movie, only the musical. It was clear that they were taking the entire concept in a completely different direction not just recreating the story about Alexander Hamilton. I don't think anyone was the same race as the actual historical person.
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I'm not familiar with the Hamilton movie only the musical. Lin Manuel's Hamilton was not a remake of anything. It was a completely unique concept.
 
Zoo_View said:
Most of y’all make me laugh. Many of you are intelligent and articulate.

Yet, you engage over and over and over again with trolls.
  • Do you think you’ll win?
  • Do you think you’ll change the troll’s mind?
  • Do you think anyone is reading your replies to the troll and thinking, “That’s an impressive statement?” Hint. Almost NO ONE is reading your interactions with the troll aside from MAYBE the troll. And, that’s doubtful.
Quit giving the trolls hard-ons.
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I use it more to help strengthen and develop my arguments than anything else. I know what I believe, but I struggle sometimes to put the "why I believe it" into words. Several of the "other side" posters on here have helped me to formulate my opinions, whether that was their intent, or not.

But I also find the "trolls" here far more interesting, intelligent, and willing to engage than the ones that I encounter in most online groups. I am in a number of fandom groups on Facebook and have essentially fled the ones that are full of idiots who can barely put two sentences together, but somehow think that they are a) the intelligentsia and b) able to debate. They aren't.

The older I get, the more I realize that I beat myself up unnecessarily as a teen/young man because I believed that I wasn't intelligent. Don't get me wrong, I still think I'm an idiot, but boy, howdy, there are some truly, truly, truly stupid people out there.

Familiarity also helps. I razz ZenMode a fair amount, and find his views on queer culture to be childish, but if we ever met up in person, I'd happily sit down with either him or Gyt for a drink or two, to shoot the shit.

Edited to add: I would also point out that there are a number of posters on here who were considered by many of you to be trolls when they posted on the zzlp, who are vehemently anti-Trump, and tend to side with the libs on here. People do listen, grow, and change. Some more than others, yes, but it happens. Whether that change is due to things said here, aging, or outside circumstances, they are, nevertheless, different people then they were then. As I have said before, I respect most of you all a great deal, but most of the posters that I truly admire here are the ones like CFord, krafty,, and UNCatTech who have put integrity first, even if it meant no longer supporting a party that no longer stands for the beliefs that it once did.
 
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Zoo_View said:
Most of y’all make me laugh. Many of you are intelligent and articulate.

Yet, you engage over and over and over again with trolls.
  • Do you think you’ll win?
  • Do you think you’ll change the troll’s mind?
  • Do you think anyone is reading your replies to the troll and thinking, “That’s an impressive statement?” Hint. Almost NO ONE is reading your interactions with the troll aside from MAYBE the troll. And, that’s doubtful.
Quit giving the trolls hard-ons.
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I get it, but I enjoy it. Don’t care about winning, but I do think I have at least made some reconsider some stances, but I don’t even know if that is a goal of mine. I am fine if nobody else reads but some do because others also respond to what I’m saying at times.
But the main reason is because if I can article rationally and calmly to all of their points here, I’ll be better able to be prepared for the MAGAs I encounter in the real world. Without this board, I wouldn’t know what Trump’s supporters are thinking of what their arguments might be. And I have found they all pretty much have the same talking points.
I understand your POV around this, and other posters here have expressed similar thoughts. But I enjoy (for lack of a better term) the interaction, perverse as that sound.

Edit: I agree with poster before me who said the “trolls” here for the most part (the ones I interact with) to be friendly and intelligent and even though I may disagree with them I don’t have a problem with them.
 
ZenMode said:
I think I did, but maybe not.

By itself, in a different time, there may be little to nothing "wrong" with her selection. In a time where Disney just replaced an very white, red-haired mermaid with a black woman, then replaces a very white character- "white as snow" as a matter of fact - with an olive skinned Hispanic woman, it smacks of DEI/Woke/politics, which appears was the path of Disney, though I think it will change.

On a side note, we went to Disneyland during my kids' fall break last year. I still drink Bud Light and, in fact, had many while watching Arizona Wildcats beat Akron, so I'm not one of those people.
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for the 2nd time, the original little mermaid didn't have a certain look or ethnicity. hans christian andersen described her as having "eyes as blue as the deepest see." no mention of hair or skin color.

"olive skinned hispanic woman"..... zegler's grandmother immigrated from colombia in the 60's and her father is polish. she's a 3rd generation american. i mean, look at this woman. she looks like snow white. this is really getting tedious, you've jumped the shark here even moreso than usual.

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ZenMode said:
There are more and less qualified people for any job, but there are no white or black jobs. It made sense for Jamie Fox to play Ray Charles. That doesn't mean that portraying singers in a movie is a "black job".

It wouldn't make sense for Colin Farrell to play Ray Charles. That doesn't mean white people can't play singers in movies.
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That's not what I said. I said that you took exception to two fictional characters being portrayed by someone who isn't white enough for your taste...did you not?
 
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