The Charlie Kirk Thread

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Callatoroy said:
No, not waiting on that and I admit my comment was worded poorly. I think this issue is way more complex than just trump / fcc chair. To me this seems like what lawyers live for. The semantics in play give fcc chair cover. Maybe not enough for you, but JK made it easy.
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There is no cover to be found in comments like “we can do this the easy way or the hard way.”
There were no laws broken, rules violated or standards breached. What JK said was only offensive to those desperate to be offended. With no legal basis for revoking licenses, what’s the hard way? What do you think was he implying?
 
rodoheel said:
Are you familiar with SCt precedent on this issue? They literally just issued a decision on this issue last year (and a unanimous one at that).

Not sure what you mean by "JK made it easy." I cannot fathom any possible basis for thinking that there would be any actual FCC authority to punish the statements that were made in any way. And Kimmel's statements specifically were not even close to the most obvious examples of people spreading "fake news" on TV. I bet you can find way worse examples in the last few years even if you restricted yourself only to liberals. We won't even get into the other side.
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I think JK made it easy because:
1) He lied in his maga comments
2) It is one of the most sensitive times in years and there are a LOT of people being fired for CK comments. He didn't read the room.
3) his ratings weren't good so he made it easy for ABC to use that as an excuse.
4) he made it easy for fcc to use "for the public good" clause in broadcasters licensing as an excuse
 
Callatoroy said:
He lied in his maga comments
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Kimmel said the "Maga gang" was "desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them" and of trying to "score political points from it"

That's not a lie, just an opinion. I think we can agree there are people, both left and right, trying to score political points from it, so that's true. And both sides are trying to characterize Robinson as "anything other than them." So also true, or at least just an opinion. But not a lie.
 
nycfan said:
I am very clearly on team ellipse, which I read are called “boomer dots” by the youngs. Youngs obviously don’t understand how much Gen X values the snarky pregnant pause implied by skilled deployment of the ellipse. They also don’t do grammar.
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I'm pretty sure it was the influence of Herb Caen that got me started with the ellipses when I first started posting in chatrooms in the late 90's. Loved that guy...
 
Callatoroy said:
I think JK made it easy because:
1) He lied in his maga comments
2) It is one of the most sensitive times in years and there are a LOT of people being fired for CK comments. He didn't read the room.
3) his ratings weren't good so he made it easy for ABC to use that as an excuse.
4) he made it easy for fcc to use "for the public good" clause in broadcasters licensing as an excuse
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ABC hasn't used ratings as an excuse at all, as far as I've seen. Nor would anyone believe them if they did, given the timing.

The FCC "public interest" requirement has nothing to do with the content of speech and does not give them to right to legally penalize broadcasters for the content of their speech.
 
rodoheel said:
ABC hasn't used ratings as an excuse at all, as far as I've seen. Nor would anyone believe them if they did, given the timing.

The FCC "public interest" requirement has nothing to do with the content of speech and does not give them to right to legally penalize broadcasters for the content of their speech.
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Saw on CNN that Jimmy planned a full throated rebuttal, and no apology or back tracking during his monologue. Iger made the business decision that it wasn't worth the battle with FCC, so pretty clear line of events (and motivations).


(... in terms of ellipses... i always associated them with Larry King's usa today column... but whadda i know)
 
rodoheel said:
ABC hasn't used ratings as an excuse at all, as far as I've seen. Nor would anyone believe them if they did, given the timing.

The FCC "public interest" requirement has nothing to do with the content of speech and does not give them to right to legally penalize broadcasters for the content of their speech.
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I'm not arguing with you. However, I don't remember in my lifetime seeing the right as galvanized. I think ABC, as a publicly traded company, did read the room and saw what was coming if they didn't act. As such, I think the show's performance as a money maker gave ABC the cover it needed to do what it was afraid to do. That is why I say JK made it easy. Had he not commented (and such a dumb comment as there was a ton of evidence by the time JK made his comment) he would likely still be in employed as ABC probably wanted to, but lacked the courage to end his show.

Man that paragraph isn't organized worth a shit but you get my point.
 
"The FCC "public interest" requirement has nothing to do with the content of speech and does not give them to right to legally penalize broadcasters for the content of their speech."

My guess is they are using it (public interest) with regard to it being inflammatory given the political climate. I'm not saying it is being interpreted correctly, but they can at least argue it. That is why I said this is the type of argument a lawyer would make.
 
Callatoroy said:
"The FCC "public interest" requirement has nothing to do with the content of speech and does not give them to right to legally penalize broadcasters for the content of their speech."

My guess is they are using it (public interest) with regard to it being inflammatory given the political climate. I'm not saying it is being interpreted correctly, but they can at least argue it. That is why I said this is the type of argument a lawyer would make.
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But you agree that what the people on Fox News have been saying, and what Trump has been saying, and what scores of other people from the right have been saying on a constant basis are far, far, far, more inflammatory than anything JK said, right (not to mention they are serious and he is a comedian).
 
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