The "If Trump wins...." Prediction thread: D-Day 1/20/25

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finesse said:
Or the last time a Republican left one this good.
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True. If you’re willing to go back to when App St was still essentially a community college, the economy Reagan left for HW was ok. Not nearly as good as today’s, but ok. Other than that, it’s been a shit show for Pub presidents for almost 100 years now.
 
lawtig02 said:
True. If you’re willing to go back to when App St was still essentially a community college, the economy Reagan left for HW was ok. Not nearly as good as today’s, but ok. Other than that, it’s been a shit show for Pub presidents for almost 100 years now.
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He kind of did in the short time term but since he almost tripled the national debt, I'd have to dispute that. We're still paying for that.
 
lawtig02 said:
Could you help us identify the last time a Dem president inherited an economy from a Pub president that was remotely as strong as the one we have right now? Thanks in advance.
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Can you help identify the last time a president took over a border crisis like we have now and how much money is going to take to fix it that was left by a corpse of a president.
Thanks in advance...
 
finesse said:
He kind of did in the short time term but since he almost tripled the national debt, I'd have to dispute that. We're still paying for that.
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Don’t disagree. I’m just trying to give our mountaineer friend the benefit of every doubt while he’s surely searching Wikipedia for some example to support Pub presidents’ stewardship of the economy.
 
Yosef said:
Can you help identify the last time a president took over a border crisis like we have now and how much money is going to take to fix it that was left by a corpse of a president.
Thanks in advance...
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I’ll take that as a concession. And a non sequitur. Thanks!
 
Yosef said:
Can you help identify the last time a president took over a border crisis like we have now and how much money is going to take to fix it that was left by a corpse of a president.
Thanks in advance...
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From my chair, the border issues look to be largely the same as they have been for at least 4 decades. Do you have any data that backs up the assertion that the border issues now are tangibly different?
 
lawtig02 said:
Don’t disagree. I’m just trying to give our mountaineer friend the benefit of every doubt while he’s surely searching Wikipedia for some example to support Pub presidents’ stewardship of the economy.
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By the way, border crossings were about the same in 2008, the last year of W’s administration, as they were in 2024. Be honest — did you know that?
 
Yosef said:
Can you help identify the last time a president took over a border crisis like we have now and how much money is going to take to fix it that was left by a corpse of a president.
Thanks in advance...
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I don't know. There was a 15% increase in the rate in Trump's first term and ended up being higher in the last two months than it was under Obama in his last two months and that was with a pandemic and illegal laws to help Trump. Think about how many illegals stayed where they could buy toilet paper.
 
Yosef said:
Can you help identify the last time a president took over a border crisis like we have now and how much money is going to take to fix it that was left by a corpse of a president.
Thanks in advance...
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Trump Vowed a Crackdown on the Mexican Border, but It’s Already Quiet​


Ahead of the inauguration, migrant shelters south of the Rio Grande are far from full, a reflection of the tougher measures imposed on both sides of the border.

“… Despite the decline, illegal crossings remain higher than during much of Mr. Trump’s first term, fueling calls by the new Trump administration, and even by some Democrats in Congress, for more severe restrictions on migration to the United States.

… The quieter border these days contrasts with the recent years of frequent tragedies along the frontier, including family separations and the 2023 fire at a migrant detention facility in Ciudad Juárez that killed dozens.

… Thousands of migrants are still trying to make their way north even as the authorities on both sides of the border harden restrictions. But overall, movement through the Darién Gap, the inhospitable land bridge connecting North and South America, and shelter capacity in U.S.-Mexico border cities like Ciudad Juárez and Matamoros have become indicators of how migration flows are easing. …”

🎁 LINK —> What Border Crisis? Mexican Migrant Shelters Are Quiet Ahead of Trump
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think she ever supported anything close to that.
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Right. I thought you were saying Harris was the one who supported fully defunding police. I think we are basically in complete agreement on Harris.

There may be someone, beyond the lady in Minnesota, but I don't know who that is.
 
ZenMode said:
Right. I thought you were saying Harris was the one who supported fully defunding police. I think we are basically in complete agreement on Harris.

There may be someone, beyond the lady in Minnesota, but I don't know who that is.
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No. I was saying that Harris supported defunding the police, briefly, before it became a political liability, but took a less radical line than some nameless woman in Minnesota who you have described but I am not aware of.

I actually support a policy that takes a hard look at how we spend the police budget and reallocating more from law enforcement towards mental health treatment and community building but the defund the police slogan killed that.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
For those insisting that Trump can't screw anything up that bad in four years and we'll all survive relatively unscathed, I would like to remind you that our country would be very different today if Mike Pence hadn't had an attack of conscience on January 6th, 2021, and had simply done Trump's bidding.
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Putting the lunatic rioters intentions aside, what do you think would have ultimately happened if Pence hadn't certified on that day?
 
ZenMode said:
Right. I thought you were saying Harris was the one who supported fully defunding police. I think we are basically in complete agreement on Harris.

There may be someone, beyond the lady in Minnesota, but I don't know who that is.
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By the way, I don’t want to get too worked up about the gay marriage topic because I don’t think Obergefell is at much risk, at least for the next few years, but the Heritage Foundation, and Kevin Roberts in particular, are still very much in favor of reversing it, and they have enormous sway in Trump’s administration. A couple of years ago, they lobbied hard against the Respect for Marriage Act, which would have basically just codified Obergefell so it wouldn’t have been as vulnerable to reversal by a future SCOTUS. So while it may not be at imminent risk, there is a huge and very powerful movement within the current GOP to eliminate the marriage rights Obergefell recognized.
 
ZenMode said:
Putting the lunatic rioters intentions aside, what do you think would have ultimately happened if Pence hadn't certified on that day?
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Possible constitutional crisis. I think you would have had enough Romney types to eventually get it right, but you never know.

I don't think the rioters were ever going to do anything but delay the vote.
 
Trump won the election because of the woke policies and the border crisis by the Democrats but please continue in your thinking.
 
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Yosef said:
Trump won't the election because of the woke policies and the border crisis by the Democrats but please continue in your thinking.
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If rent, gas, and groceries were 20% cheaper, Harris would have sailed, "woke polices and the border crisis" and all.

Please continue your in your "thinking" though.
 
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