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nashcounty said:
Happy 5/4 day.

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Oh man u be hitting on my intro to Jazz

Had the pleasure to see Dave Brubeck perform and see Ahmad Jamal perform

My dad owned three jazz albums

Time Out
Ahmad Jamal Live at the Pershing
Les McCann and Eddie Harris

Time Out - Take Five
Ahmad Jamal- Poinciana

I saw what you did with the 5/4 Take Five time :cool:

but what got my heart started was McCann& Harris - Compared To What

Best 8 minutes you will spend today :p

 
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A couple of really interesting stories behind both those songs… Take 5 and Ohio. Of course the inspiration behind Neil’s Ohio was obvious, but it was interesting to hear Graham Nash recount the story of how quickly the song was written, recorded and released in a manner which knocked their other hit off the charts (Teach Your Children). Teach was just then making its way up the charts as a top hit when Neil wrote this song in less than an hour. Crosby insisted the group record OHIO ASAP. The rest is history.

Take 5 is a Paul Desmond tune (not written by Brubeck)
At a rehearsal one day Joe Morello was just messing around beating out a different rhythm in 5/4 time signature. Dave asked him what that was and Morello just said nothing… just jamming around.

Brubeck found the groove interesting and asked his band mates to go home and try to come up with a song idea in that 5/4 groove.
Next rehearsal, nobody had any ideas except for Desmond. And Paul said he didn’t have anything finished… just 2 separate song ideas. He played the first, claiming not to have a B part to it. He then played his second song idea, also claiming to not have a 2nd part fleshed out for it either. Brubeck is said to have exclaimed: “Just put those two song ideas together in one composition” … presto, you have your 2 parts for one song and that’s how Take 5 was born. A groove started by drummer Joe Morello and a homework assignment given by band leader Brubeck. And Desmond writing two “1/2” songs mashing ‘em together to make one.
 
Centerpiece said:
A couple of really interesting stories behind both those songs… Take 5 and Ohio. Of course the inspiration behind Neil’s Ohio was obvious, but it was interesting to hear Graham Nash recount the story of how quickly the song was written, recorded and released in a manner which knocked their other hit off the charts (Teach Your Children). Teach was just then making its way up the charts as a top hit when Neil wrote this song in less than an hour. Crosby insisted the group record OHIO ASAP. The rest is history.

Take 5 is a Paul Desmond tune (not written by Brubeck)
At a rehearsal one day Joe Morello was just messing around beating out a different rhythm in 5/4 time signature. Dave asked him what that was and Morello just said nothing… just jamming around.

Brubeck found the groove interesting and asked his band mates to go home and try to come up with a song idea in that 5/4 groove.
Next rehearsal, nobody had any ideas except for Desmond. And Paul said he didn’t have anything finished… just 2 separate song ideas. He played the first, claiming not to have a B part to it. He then played his second song idea, also claiming to not have a 2nd part fleshed out for it either. Brubeck is said to have exclaimed: “Just put those two song ideas together in one composition” … presto, you have your 2 parts for one song and that’s how Take 5 was born. A groove started by drummer Joe Morello and a homework assignment given by band leader Brubeck. And Desmond writing two “1/2” songs mashing ‘em together to make one.
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This post is why I spend my time here🤗

Thank you for the back story on how an iconic jazz piece came to be !
 
Centerpiece said:
A couple of really interesting stories behind both those songs… Take 5 and Ohio. Of course the inspiration behind Neil’s Ohio was obvious, but it was interesting to hear Graham Nash recount the story of how quickly the song was written, recorded and released in a manner which knocked their other hit off the charts (Teach Your Children). Teach was just then making its way up the charts as a top hit when Neil wrote this song in less than an hour. Crosby insisted the group record OHIO ASAP. The rest is history.
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Reminds of Eve of Destruction, which IIRC was released on the radio hours after it was recorded. There were even mistakes that McGuire wanted to correct but the song was already out. I've long listened for the mistake and I can't detect it, which is often the case with musicians' mistakes, right? As they say to high schoolers, "nobody noticed that mistake but you."
 
superrific said:
Reminds of Eve of Destruction, which IIRC was released on the radio hours after it was recorded. There were even mistakes that McGuire wanted to correct but the song was already out. I've long listened for the mistake and I can't detect it, which is often the case with musicians' mistakes, right? As they say to high schoolers, "nobody noticed that mistake but you."
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sad to hear that the theme of this protest song is apropos 60 years later

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Anybody watch any of the Rick Beato YouTubes? He's got tons out there and been doing it for about 10 years. Killer interviews with loads of all time greats. The last couple of years he's been hammering on the "death of RocknRoll" or the "end" of the music industry as we know/knew it. Loads of stuff about autotune, B.S. recording deals, Napster, spotify, no good bands anymore, and now recently: AI, etc. etc.
And he's not just some blowhard with a podcast with no gravitas. He's a learned musician, player, writer, producer, sound engineer and 100's of albums to his credit. At 63 year's old he's been around the block. I like his delivery and style.
And I think he's spot on with his takes.
Thoughts?
 
Centerpiece said:
Anybody watch any of the Rick Beato YouTubes? He's got tons out there and been doing it for about 10 years. Killer interviews with loads of all time greats. The last couple of years he's been hammering on the "death of RocknRoll" or the "end" of the music industry as we know/knew it. Loads of stuff about autotune, B.S. recording deals, Napster, spotify, no good bands anymore, and now recently: AI, etc. etc.
And he's not just some blowhard with a podcast with no gravitas. He's a learned musician, player, writer, producer, sound engineer and 100's of albums to his credit. At 63 year's old he's been around the block. I like his delivery and style.
And I think he's spot on with his takes.
Thoughts?
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Old man yelling at the clouds selling his e-books.

Some of the interviews are solid...but there are better "music theory / state of music" content providers out there.
 
p5mmr9 said:
Old man yelling at the clouds selling his e-books.

Some of the interviews are solid...but there are better "music theory / state of music" content providers out there.
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Cool response. Who are the better “music theory/state of music” content providers? (I’m a music theory guy myself) I’ll check them out.
 
My "old man yelling at clouds" comment is more about his distaste for modern music and the idea that the industry is dead - it's not and modern music doesn't suck - it's just different, but he has trouble with change as is common as eras change for those of past eras. I posted the Hammett interview because I think it's insightful and interesting - but he has others. I just posted one. I'm not suggesting his content is terrible. He is ubiquitous in this youtube subgenre - and he is for a reason. He's very good - I just find his comments about the music industry in general to be a bit boring and eye rolling. And his music theory insights are shallow. His best content to me are his interviews. He's a very good interviewer mostly because he's the real deal and musicians respect him and Beato can get his interview subjects to open up pretty easily.
 
Music theory recommendations? I think David Bennet is the best. 12tone is very good. These are a bit more niche and content focused than Beato though - so it isn't really apples to apples:
www.youtube.com

David Bennett

I'm a pianist, songwriter and music lover creating educational videos about all things interesting in music and music theory.
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
www.youtube.com

12tone

something something music theory. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/12tonevideos Mailing list: http://eepurl.com/bD4LeT Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/12tonevideos Twitter: https://twitter.com/12tonevideos Email: 12tone@nebula.tv
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

There are others of course...but these aren't really "state of industry" types.
 
p5mmr9 said:
Music theory recommendations? I think David Bennet is the best. 12tone is very good. These are a bit more niche and content focused than Beato though - so it isn't really apples to apples:
www.youtube.com

David Bennett

I'm a pianist, songwriter and music lover creating educational videos about all things interesting in music and music theory.
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
www.youtube.com

12tone

something something music theory. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/12tonevideos Mailing list: http://eepurl.com/bD4LeT Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/12tonevideos Twitter: https://twitter.com/12tonevideos Email: 12tone@nebula.tv
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

There are others of course...but these aren't really "state of industry" types.
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Ok. But I’m not impressed in terms of their “music theory”. First, like Beato, these two are doing the exact same thing in regards to selling their wares. Whataboutism on my response no doubt.

But in all seriousness, they may do a decent job of explaining a I, VI, II, V to the uninitiated, but come on. They need to do a deeper dive than that for me. Beato does that.
 
p5mmr9 said:
Music theory recommendations? I think David Bennet is the best. 12tone is very good. These are a bit more niche and content focused than Beato though - so it isn't really apples to apples:
www.youtube.com

David Bennett

I'm a pianist, songwriter and music lover creating educational videos about all things interesting in music and music theory.
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com
www.youtube.com

12tone

something something music theory. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/12tonevideos Mailing list: http://eepurl.com/bD4LeT Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/12tonevideos Twitter: https://twitter.com/12tonevideos Email: 12tone@nebula.tv
www.youtube.com www.youtube.com

There are others of course...but these aren't really "state of industry" types.
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Here’s Jason DeCristofaro, Teacher in N.C. with whom I’ve gigged a couple of times. Follow him if you want some music/chord theory.
 
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