The sad case of Imane Khelif

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superrific said:
LOL. Fairness is a form of empathy.

All practical ethics is based on religion or empathy. Without one of the two, nothing matters.
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Fairness is a form of sympathy. Sympathy is a good thing. Empathy is, again, why you discard fairness and reason, and the experience of many females, in favor of the experience of one person.
 
ZenMode said:
Fairness is a form of sympathy. Sympathy is a good thing. Empathy is, again, why you discard fairness and reason, and the experience of many females, in favor of the experience of one person.
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You are again confusing sympathy and empathy. Sympathy is fundamentally about pity, which is emotional and not reason. Empathy is different; it's the desire to take multiple perspectives into account when making judgments.

I don't care if you want to continue this bullshit. You've had your arms and legs cut off, and you are not in fact going to bite my legs off. I'm going on my way. Toodles.
 
superrific said:
You are again confusing sympathy and empathy. Sympathy is fundamentally about pity, which is emotional and not reason. Empathy is different; it's the desire to take multiple perspectives into account when making judgments.

I don't care if you want to continue this bullshit. You've had your arms and legs cut off, and you are not in fact going to bite my legs off. I'm going on my way. Toodles.
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It’s only a flesh wound.
 
superrific said:
You are again confusing sympathy and empathy.
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I'm not.
superrific said:
Sympathy is fundamentally about pity, which is emotional and not reason.
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Sympathy is feeling sorry for someone for what they are going through.

Unlike empathy, sympathy is not putting yourself in their place and feeling their feelings.
superrific said:
Empathy is different; it's the desire to take multiple perspectives into account when making judgments.
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It's literally feeling their feelings. You are putting yourself in their place and making decisions based on their feelings, not what is the reasonable thing to do.
superrific said:
I don't care if you want to continue this bullshit. You've had your arms and legs cut off, and you are not in fact going to bite my legs off. I'm going on my way. Toodles.
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An unjustified victory lap isn't going to work.
 
Confusion of sympathy and empathy is a characteristic of self-absorbed individuals. Sympathy centers the speaker, which is very on brand for some of our posters. Empathy centers another. Empathy requires a person to think beyond his own immediate experience, which is not something one particular poster ever does on this board.
 
ZenMode said:
How to keep males out of female sports is a different question than whether or not we should keep males out of female sports. How a state handles it will likely be different than how the IOC handles it.

I'm not claiming to be an expert of the "how".
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You need to stop calling everyone with XY chromosomes "males." They are not "males" no matter how much you claim otherwise. You need to read up on disorders of sex development.

Wikipedia is as good as any place to start.

Disorders of sex development - Wikipedia

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ZenMode said:
How to keep males out of female sports is a different question than whether or not we should keep males out of female sports. How a state handles it will likely be different than how the IOC handles it.

I'm not claiming to be an expert of the "how".
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How about professional organizations? Should the WNBA be doing chromosome testing? There is a darn good chance that Brittney Griner has some form of DSD. Should the WNBA subject everyone to testing?

Or can we just accept the fact that God made a lot of varieties in humans and we shouldn’t try to micromanage every conceivable genetic difference on the ground that it is not sufficiently feminine?
 
Calheel said:
How about professional organizations? Should the WNBA be doing chromosome testing? There is a darn good chance that Brittney Griner has some form of DSD. Should the WNBA subject everyone to testing?
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Like I mentioned, I don't care what private organizations do. I care about public school/universities.
Calheel said:
Or can we just accept the fact that God made a lot of varieties in humans and we shouldn’t try to micromanage every conceivable genetic difference on the ground that it is sufficiently feminine?
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There are a lot of varieties and among those varieties are those who are likely to fall into a "male" category, who should be disallowed from playing female sports.
 
ChileG said:
Which category do the Olympics fall into, because you seem to care a lot about that?
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I still care about fairness in athletics, and I like that the IOC is addressing this issue, but the IOC can run things as they please. They're a private organization.
 
ZenMode said:
The State of Texas set the requirement that student athletes play in the sport based on their sex at birth.
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Ok, great. Glad to hear you're 100% fine with what California decided to do. Not sure why we really need this thread in light of that, but at least we've found common ground.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
Who made Riley Gaines famous by tying her for 5th? Where did she go to school?
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I see no reason to continue to dissect this. For measurable and documented biological reasons, "males" shouldn't be competing against females in public schools/universities.
 
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