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The sad case of Imane Khelif

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Confusion of sympathy and empathy is a characteristic of self-absorbed individuals. Sympathy centers the speaker, which is very on brand for some of our posters. Empathy centers another. Empathy requires a person to think beyond his own immediate experience, which is not something one particular poster ever does on this board.
 
How to keep males out of female sports is a different question than whether or not we should keep males out of female sports. How a state handles it will likely be different than how the IOC handles it.

I'm not claiming to be an expert of the "how".
You need to stop calling everyone with XY chromosomes "males." They are not "males" no matter how much you claim otherwise. You need to read up on disorders of sex development.

Wikipedia is as good as any place to start.

 
How to keep males out of female sports is a different question than whether or not we should keep males out of female sports. How a state handles it will likely be different than how the IOC handles it.

I'm not claiming to be an expert of the "how".
How about professional organizations? Should the WNBA be doing chromosome testing? There is a darn good chance that Brittney Griner has some form of DSD. Should the WNBA subject everyone to testing?

Or can we just accept the fact that God made a lot of varieties in humans and we shouldn’t try to micromanage every conceivable genetic difference on the ground that it is not sufficiently feminine?
 
How about professional organizations? Should the WNBA be doing chromosome testing? There is a darn good chance that Brittney Griner has some form of DSD. Should the WNBA subject everyone to testing?
Like I mentioned, I don't care what private organizations do. I care about public school/universities.
Or can we just accept the fact that God made a lot of varieties in humans and we shouldn’t try to micromanage every conceivable genetic difference on the ground that it is sufficiently feminine?
There are a lot of varieties and among those varieties are those who are likely to fall into a "male" category, who should be disallowed from playing female sports.
 
Which category do the Olympics fall into, because you seem to care a lot about that?
I still care about fairness in athletics, and I like that the IOC is addressing this issue, but the IOC can run things as they please. They're a private organization.
 
I still care about fairness in athletics, and I like that the IOC is addressing this issue, but the IOC can run things as they please. They're a private organization.
As opposed to the NCAA? Or the CIF?
 
The State of Texas set the requirement that student athletes play in the sport based on their sex at birth.
Ok, great. Glad to hear you're 100% fine with what California decided to do. Not sure why we really need this thread in light of that, but at least we've found common ground.
 
Who made Riley Gaines famous by tying her for 5th? Where did she go to school?
I see no reason to continue to dissect this. For measurable and documented biological reasons, "males" shouldn't be competing against females in public schools/universities.
 
And do you agree with that as the standard to use across organized sports?
I think it's a standard, but I think there needs to be a method for reviewing individual situations.

I don't expect this to be resolved any time soon.
 
Fascists don't need to be ideologically consistent. They just need to maintain their position in the in-group by demonizing the out-group.
But even fascists wouldn't limit the outgroup rules to "public" university sports. They would just outlaw it everywhere. I mean, it truly is a bizarre thought process. Sometimes I wonder what it would like to be in Zen's brain for a day and then I realize that would be very, very scary.
 
That is such a weird, weird take.
It's really not. Do you have an issue with middle/high school and college athletics having men's and women's sports? Have you ever been confused as to why they do that and why there are, for example, different weight classes in middle/high school wrestling?

Have you ever watch a WNBA and NBA game and thought "these players seem to be very similar in strength, speed and athleticism"?

If you've never been confused about why middle/high schools do athletics how they do and can clearly see the difference between the WNBA and NBA players, then you 100% understand what I'm talking about.
 
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