The sad case of Imane Khelif

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ChileG said:
And do you agree with that as the standard to use across organized sports?
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I think it's a standard, but I think there needs to be a method for reviewing individual situations.

I don't expect this to be resolved any time soon.
 
StrangePackage said:
Fascists don't need to be ideologically consistent. They just need to maintain their position in the in-group by demonizing the out-group.
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But even fascists wouldn't limit the outgroup rules to "public" university sports. They would just outlaw it everywhere. I mean, it truly is a bizarre thought process. Sometimes I wonder what it would like to be in Zen's brain for a day and then I realize that would be very, very scary.
 
Calheel said:
That is such a weird, weird take.
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It's really not. Do you have an issue with middle/high school and college athletics having men's and women's sports? Have you ever been confused as to why they do that and why there are, for example, different weight classes in middle/high school wrestling?

Have you ever watch a WNBA and NBA game and thought "these players seem to be very similar in strength, speed and athleticism"?

If you've never been confused about why middle/high schools do athletics how they do and can clearly see the difference between the WNBA and NBA players, then you 100% understand what I'm talking about.
 
Calheel said:
But even fascists wouldn't limit the outgroup rules to "public" university sports. They would just outlaw it everywhere. I mean, it truly is a bizarre thought process. Sometimes I wonder what it would like to be in Zen's brain for a day and then I realize that would be very, very scary.
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I don't think it's that complicated. Zen is one of the posters here who will never, ever, ever admit he might be wrong. That leads people into really contorted positions.
 
Calheel said:
Its not the male/female thing -- it is the weird obsession with public universities. That is the weird part of your take.

Of course, you are just wrong to call Imane Khelif a male. And you still haven't explained how you would actually implement your chromosome testing protocol. But those aren't the weird parts. They are just the wrong parts.
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The public/private thing is the way he tries to make legal sense of what he's advocating for. But it hurts him WAY more than it helps him, if a first-grade understanding of federalism is taken into consideration.
 
lawtig02 said:
The public/private thing is the way he tries to make legal sense of what he's advocating for. But it hurts him WAY more than it helps him, if a first-grade understanding of federalism is taken into consideration.
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You are of course right. Zen stakes out bizarre positions because he concedes grounds on certain areas and then the only place where he hasn't painted is a little splotch around public universities. He backs into so many bizarre arguments on this board.
 
Calheel said:
Its not the male/female thing -- it is the weird obsession with public universities. That is the weird part of your take.
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I don't know what's weird about working to ensure some level of competitive fairness in public schools/universities, but ok.

EDIT: Why does Title IX exist? Fairness, right? If there was a single governing body over the NBA and WNBA, would you support the government forcing that organization to have equality (number of teams, number of players, pay, etc) between the NBA and WNBA, despite the fact that the interest in the WNBA pales in comparison?

I would hope you wouldn't support the government forcing a private business into that kind of equality.
Calheel said:
Of course, you are just wrong to call Imane Khelif a male.
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Let's say Imane was born with female genitalia and, because of that, was assigned female on the birth certificate. That's how it works at any hospital around the world, right? The doctor looks at the genitals because that's really the only characteristic at the time of birth that can be used to say M or F.

Why is that early, single characteristic label assumed to be correct, particularly in the face of significant evidence that shows she is likely actually a male?
 
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ZenMode said:
I don't know what's weird about working to ensure some level of competitive fairness in public schools/universities, but ok.

EDIT: Why does Title IX exist? Fairness, right? If there was a single governing body over the NBA and WNBA, would you support the government forcing that organization to have equality (number of teams, number of players, pay, etc) between the NBA and WNBA, despite the fact that the interest in the WNBA pales in comparison?

I would hope you wouldn't support the government forcing a private business into that kind of equality.

Let's say Imane was born with female genitalia and, because of that, was assigned female on the birth certificate. That's how it works at any hospital around the world, right? The doctor looks at the genitals because that's really the only characteristic at the time of birth that can be used to say M or F.

Why is that early, single characteristic label assumed to be correct, particularly in the face of significant evidence that shows she is likely actually a male?
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Because males don't have vaginas.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
So, you don’t have a problem with Lia Thomas competing against Riley Gaines? That’s not the way I remember things.
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There's two sides to my view on this topic.

1. Across the board, it is unfair for males to compete against a females and I hope that steps would be taken, whether public or private, to address that issue.

2. I want the government (s) to step in and address the issue at public schools and public universities.

3. I do not want the government to step in and tell private entities how they need to do things.
 
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So, in the UNC v. Duke rivalry, which encompasses a shitload of sports, UNC’s women should be examined for testes and penis because UNC is a public university. The d00k women, because d00k is a private university, are good to go.
 
Zoo_View said:
So, in the UNC v. Duke rivalry, which encompasses a shitload of sports, UNC’s women should be examined for testes and penis because UNC is a public university. The d00k women, because d00k is a private university, are good to go.
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LOL. He's on quite the roll, isn't he?
 
Zoo_View said:
So, in the UNC v. Duke rivalry, which encompasses a shitload of sports, UNC’s women should be examined for testes and penis because UNC is a public university.
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Zoo_View said:
The d00k women, because d00k is a private university, are good to go.
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Correct. The situation will resolve itself naturally. As was the case with schools that permitted blatant anti-Semitism on campus, you may see boosters pulling money from schools that allow males to compete in female sports. You may also see public protests and or forfeiting of games. You might see schools that stop scheduling Duke. Either way, the situation will resolve itself.
 
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