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Callatoroy said:
There are often close misses. To imply we don’t need better qualified and competent ATC is wrong. As someone else said today, when you or a loved one is flying into an airport or just on a plane, what’s more important to you, the color of their skin and what gender they are or how much experience they have and how competent they are. Are you really saying with something as critical as ATC that it’s ok to not seek to have the best?
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First, there is zero indication that the cause of the crash was at the ATC end and a lot of evidence that it was pilot error in the information we do have. Obviously the jury is still out until the NTSB report comes back, but there is no indication that there was a problem at ATC.

If there evidence does come out that (a) there was a problem at ATC and that (b) the problem at ATC was caused by the fact that we have not "sought the best," then we can talk.

DEI in the FAA is not about hiring quotas, it is about recruiting and casting a wide net to increase the pool of qualified applicants. The problems with ATC are that the job is incredibly stressful (probably underpaid), the department is underfunded, and that there is a lot of turnover. These have been problems for decades, under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

I would flip the question back "Is it important for you that the department made every effort to find all of the qualified candidates, even those who are not white men?"
 
Zoo_View said:
What is DOGE?

It’s not a department of the US government.

Congress hasn’t created it or funded it.

Does DOGE legally have any authority to do anything?
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Creating DOGE is the same win that it would be to create the Department of Make Everything Super Awesome. On a macro level we should all be pumped that they are going to make everything super awesome.
 
Callatoroy said:
Lol at the Lincoln project
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They ain’t wrong in this instance, though. I’ve mostly got respect for those guys. They were hardcore Republicans like me who saw the terrible writing on the wall early on under Trump and put country over party to work to antagonize and undermine him. Say what you want about them but they’ve successfully gotten under his skin frequently.
 
roostra said:
First, there is zero indication that the cause of the crash was at the ATC end and a lot of evidence that it was pilot error in the information we do have. Obviously the jury is still out until the NTSB report comes back, but there is no indication that there was a problem at ATC.

If there evidence does come out that (a) there was a problem at ATC and that (b) the problem at ATC was caused by the fact that we have not "sought the best," then we can talk.

DEI in the FAA is not about hiring quotas, it is about recruiting and casting a wide net to increase the pool of qualified applicants. The problems with ATC are that the job is incredibly stressful (probably underpaid), the department is underfunded, and that there is a lot of turnover. These have been problems for decades, under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

I would flip the question back "Is it important for you that the department made every effort to find all of the qualified candidates, even those who are not white men?"
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But that wasn’t their goal and they were partially quota driven. Applicants’ backgrounds were assigned point values. Higher points were awarded for some arbitrary things like playing a collegiate sport than actual military experience as an ATC. It wasn’t just about casting a wider net. In some cases the most qualified were white males but they wanted to get away from them.

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Fact-checking Trump’s claims about DEI, Biden and the DC plane crash

Fact check: Trump blames Washington plane crash on DEI. Why – and is what he said true?
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“The plan, which was last updated in March 2022, added: “Targeted disabilities are those disabilities that the federal government, as a matter of policy, has identified for special emphasis in recruitment and hiring. They include hearing, vision, missing extremities, partial paralysis, complete paralysis, epilepsy, severe intellectual disability, psychiatric disability and dwarfism.”
 
roostra said:
First, there is zero indication that the cause of the crash was at the ATC end and a lot of evidence that it was pilot error in the information we do have. Obviously the jury is still out until the NTSB report comes back, but there is no indication that there was a problem at ATC.

If there evidence does come out that (a) there was a problem at ATC and that (b) the problem at ATC was caused by the fact that we have not "sought the best," then we can talk.

DEI in the FAA is not about hiring quotas, it is about recruiting and casting a wide net to increase the pool of qualified applicants. The problems with ATC are that the job is incredibly stressful (probably underpaid), the department is underfunded, and that there is a lot of turnover. These have been problems for decades, under both Republican and Democratic administrations.

I would flip the question back "Is it important for you that the department made every effort to find all of the qualified candidates, even those who are not white men?"
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Forgot to add that I agree that DEI hasn’t been shown to be the cause of the accident at this point. My comments aren’t necessarily about this crash. More to DEI being a part of the ATC program in any form.
 
nycfan said:


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But the trade-off seems to be working with Maduro …


“… Maduro claimed reelection to a third term as president in July following an election that he appeared to lose. Exit polls and a Washington Post analysis of ballot receipts collected by the opposition indicated that challenger Edmundo González received twice as many votes.

… Trump campaigned on plans for a “massive deportation” of migrants, but he cannot repatriate Venezuelan nationals without cooperation from Maduro.

Maduro has signaled a willingness to accept deportation flights in exchange for the preservation of oil licenses and increases in crude exports, The Washington Post has reported. Venezuela boasts the world’s largest proven oil reserves, but its industry has been hobbled by U.S.-led sanctions and mismanagement.

It is not the first time Grenell has met with the Maduro government. In 2020, after Grenell had served as Trump’s acting U.S. director of national intelligence, he quietly met with an influential Maduro ally, Jorge Rodríguez, in Mexico City, without informing the State Department or National Security Council, said Elliott Abrams, who was special envoy to Venezuela during Trump’s first term.

… Abrams argued that Friday’s meeting in Caracas was “very dangerous.” Trump’s message for the Venezuelan government “could be delivered to Maduro without a face-to-face meeting; that is a gift to him.”

The meeting, Abrams argued, reveals the level of authority that Grenell will wield in the administration, and it appears to “step on” Secretary of State Marco Rubio’s first official trip abroad, a journey through Latin America with stops in Panama, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Guatemala and the Dominican Republic.

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The Friday meeting, first reported by CNN, raised concerns among supporters of the Venezuelan opposition, who have argued that dealing directly with Maduro would grant him legitimacy after an election they say he stole.
“I hope that during today’s visit, the only thing Richard Grenell focuses on is demanding the return of the kidnapped Americans, ensuring that Maduro takes back the thugs and gang members in our country, and finding a new country for Maduro,” Sen. Rick Scott (R-Florida) posted on X. …”
 
Callatoroy said:
Are you really saying with something as critical as ATC that it’s ok to not seek to have the best?
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I'm saying considering the record of tens if not hundreds of thousands of flights over the past several decades that took off and landed safely, that's pretty strong evidence that "air traffic controllers" writ large have done an almost perfect job, and that your whining and insinuation that hiring woman and black people is detrimental to air safety doesn't hold water. If more evidence to the contrary presents itself going forward, I may revise my opinion, but in the meantime you're just talking out of your ass...
 
Zoo_View said:
Legally, where do the funds to pay the 8 months severance come from?

Has Congress authorized this money?

If you were a federal employee would you sign whatever separation/resignation agreement they present you and be confident that the Trump/Musk Administration would actually pay you?
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So because you don’t know the fine print of the HR process your default is to deny. OK
 
UNCatTech said:
Yea, but they have to get elected first.

I'm surprised he hasn't signed an EO making it illegal to run as a democrat.
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I think the entire goal of growing the power of the executive at the expense of the legislature is a bad idea, but in the spirit of this thread I'm looking for potential upside.
 
Callatoroy said:
There are often close misses. To imply we don’t need better qualified and competent ATC is wrong. As someone else said today, when you or a loved one is flying into an airport or just on a plane, what’s more important to you, the color of their skin and what gender they are or how much experience they have and how competent they are. Are you really saying with something as critical as ATC that it’s ok to not seek to have the best?
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We can't fill the positions with ANYONE, you dolt. No qualified person has missed out on an ATC job because of a less qualified DEI hire. Zero. It has quite literally NEVER happened. They would have hired both applicants and ask them to bring their friends.
 
hedge said:
I'm saying considering the record of tens if not hundreds of thousands of flights over the past several decades that took off and landed safely, that's pretty strong evidence that "air traffic controllers" writ large have done an almost perfect job, and that your whining and insinuation that hiring woman and black people is detrimental to air safety doesn't hold water. If more evidence to the contrary presents itself going forward, I may revise my opinion, but in the meantime you're just talking out of your ass...
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That isn’t what I insulated at all and is a gross misrepresentation of what I said. Here is my quote: “I don’t give a damn if they are all male, all female, all white, all black, all anything. Only the best, most qualified people should fill those roles. Dumbing it down because of some political ideology is just poor common sense.” Either poor comprehension or just lack of good faith. Either not good for you so shove it up your ass.
 
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