Tracking UNC’s School of Civic Life and Leadership

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TitanNC said:
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Inaugural Symposium: Is Democracy on the Ballot? - School of Civic Life and Leadership

Is Democracy on the Ballot? UNC School of Civic Life and Leadership Inaugural Symposium Is Trump a threat to democracy? Is Harris? Are those questions misguided? Join us on Friday, September 27, at Wilson Library for our inaugural public event … Read more
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It is stunning to me that a great school like Carolina is even having this discussion (see the link).

Mr. Trump tried to forcibly stay in power after he lost the last election. Smart people like these panelists are asking and trying to answer this question? We truly live in bizarro world.
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It could also go a different way. It might be like asking how close did Trump get to corrupting our democracy? If Pence had not done his duty or if the Georgia SOS had "found" some votes, is democracy over?

Or it might be that who wins the debate is secondary. It might be more about showing people that passionately believe different things can have a civil and respectful discussion. That is one of the goals at the school.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Or it might be that who wins the debate is secondary. It might be more about showing people that passionately believe different things can have a civil and respectful discussion. That is one of the goals at the school.
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disagreements about fiscal policy are one thing.

disagreements about basic human rights are an entirely different thing and civility and respect shouldn't be granted to the crowd who consistently advocate for erasing rights for women, non-whites and the lgbtq community.
 
TitanNC said:
If this meeting plays out like I expect it to it will be soul crushing to so many Carolina students.

But how do they have a respectful discussion about if democracy is truly at stake when one of the candidates explicitly tried to crush our democracy? I am not trying to be facetious. I guess the only way for a panelist to take part in that event is if they don’t believe 1/6 was Mr Trump’s doing? Do you believe he tried to overthrow a free and fair election in his actions leading up to and on 1/6?
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Yes. I believe he tried to overthrow a free and fair election but that doesn't mean I'm unable to hear others views and have a discussion around it.

I'd also be interested to see if they did take it that other way. You can have a civics discussion On whether the laws are in place to deal with a guy or a party who just doesn't want to accept the result.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yes. I believe he tried to overthrow a free and fair election but that doesn't mean I'm unable to hear others views and have a discussion around it.

I'd also be interested to see if they did take it that other way. You can have a civics discussion On whether the laws are in place to deal with a guy or a party who just doesn't want to accept the result it as an academic question that deserves serious
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gtyellowjacket said:
Yes. I believe he tried to overthrow a free and fair election but that doesn't mean I'm unable to hear others views and have a discussion around it.

I'd also be interested to see if they did take it that other way. You can have a civics discussion On whether the laws are in place to deal with a guy or a party who just doesn't want to accept the result.
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Here’s the thing: it’s ridiculous to give academic cover to this.

One man clearly tried to overturn a free and fair election.

Posing it as a question…”well, did he really try to overturn a free election?” serves to plant doubt and spur debate on a subject where there can be no debate. It legitimizes things in a way that they don’t deserve to be legitimized.

No serious academic good can come from it. Much like posing the question “was Mussolini really a fascist?” Or “pol pot—hero or villain?”

And insinuating that Harris might also be a threat to democracy is doubly ridiculous.
 
EyeballKid said:
Here’s the thing: it’s ridiculous to give academic cover to this.

One man clearly tried to overturn a free and fair election.

Posing it as a question…”well, did he really try to overturn a free election?” serves to plant doubt and spur debate on a subject where there can be no debate. It legitimizes things in a way that they don’t deserve to be legitimized.

No serious academic good can come from it. Much like posing the question “was Mussolini really a fascist?” Or “pol pot—hero or villain?”

And insinuating that Harris might also be a threat to democracy is doubly ridiculous.
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Welcome to our Bot/Chancellor new direction in Academics Be scared-be concerned
 
EyeballKid said:
Posing it as a question…”well, did he really try to overturn a free election?”
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Well that wasn't the question asked in the announcement. The questions were:

"Is Democracy on the Ballot?" And the subheading included: "Is Trump a threat to democracy? Is Harris? Are those questions misguided?"
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Well that wasn't the question asked in the announcement. The questions were:

"Is Democracy on the Ballot?" And the subheading included: "Is Trump a threat to democracy? Is Harris? Are those questions misguided?"
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Yes, I was paraphrasing. You know this.
 
TitanNC said:
civiclife.unc.edu

Inaugural Symposium: Is Democracy on the Ballot? - School of Civic Life and Leadership

Is Democracy on the Ballot? UNC School of Civic Life and Leadership Inaugural Symposium Is Trump a threat to democracy? Is Harris? Are those questions misguided? Join us on Friday, September 27, at Wilson Library for our inaugural public event … Read more
civiclife.unc.edu civiclife.unc.edu

It is stunning to me that a great school like Carolina is even having this discussion (see the link).

Mr. Trump tried to forcibly stay in power after he lost the last election. Smart people like these panelists are asking and trying to answer this question? We truly live in bizarro world.
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It seems they want “academic” support for the normalization of Trump’s behavior.
 
Let me rephrase what I wrote above. They want “academic” support to normalize fears across the political spectrum despite only one part of the spectrum actually, you know in action, trying to overthrow an election.

And is this some kind of strict new historicist critical lens? The era has created these actions and not the actual authors of the actions?
 
LeoBloom said:
Let me rephrase what I wrote above. They want “academic” support to normalize fears across the political spectrum despite only one part of the spectrum actually, you know in action, trying to overthrow an election.

And is this some kind of strict new historicist critical lens? The era has created these actions and not the actual authors of the actions?
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Based on the speakers, it looks to me like they want to set up a few Republican versus Democrat discussions. I didn't see any super crazy people but I don't really follow who the real radical villains on the left and right are.

What I hope they are trying to do is show the students and others that attend that people can have different opinions and still have a civil debate. Also perhaps people shouldn't dismiss their viewpoints without hearing them just because you come from the opposite side of the political spectrum.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
Based on the speakers, it looks to me like they want to set up a few Republican versus Democrat discussions. I didn't see any super crazy people but I don't really follow who the real radical villains on the left and right are.

What I hope they are trying to do is show the students and others that attend that people can have different opinions and still have a civil debate. Also perhaps you shouldn't dismiss their viewpoints without hearing them just because you come from the opposite side of the political spectrum.
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Ok troll.
 
EyeballKid said:
Here’s the thing: it’s ridiculous to give academic cover to this.

One man clearly tried to overturn a free and fair election.

Posing it as a question…”well, did he really try to overturn a free election?” serves to plant doubt and spur debate on a subject where there can be no debate. It legitimizes things in a way that they don’t deserve to be legitimized.

No serious academic good can come from it. Much like posing the question “was Mussolini really a fascist?” Or “pol pot—hero or villain?”

And insinuating that Harris might also be a threat to democracy is doubly ridiculous.
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It's the Tucker Carlson "I'm just asking questions" tactic.
 
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