Trump Addresses The Nation

diddyshane said:
The reality, with that horrible 18 minutes the other night as the prime example, is that Fox and friends will try to defend the indefensible and the liberal media will zero in on every mistake (lie) Trump tells. Each source has a loyal audience that thrives and depends on them feeding us the same garbage. Luckily for those who know how to read there are plenty of sources that are objective in their reporting. But it’s more about entertainment than gaining knowledge. So TV will always win out.
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Do you believe there is any manner that changes the current path the media is on?
 
Callatoroy said:
I disagree regarding MSNBC. A quick google search can provide you example after example where MSNBC's reporting was factually incorrect, intentionally misleading, and where its hosts peddled false narratives.

But the point isn't a single source vs another source. It's the entire media universe. Again, the fact that we have left or right media is itself the problem. We should have news media that doesn't cater to one side or the other. The existing model is nothing but divisive and harmful to society.
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I watch Nicole Wallace and Chris Hayes every night. Not once have I seen them being factually misleading or peddling false narratives so I have to respectfully call you out.
 
We have always had media with an ideological slant. Granted, the news reporting landscape has taken on multiple forms over the years — we’ve all heard of “Yellow Journalism,” for example. “The Federalist Papers” appeared in the media of the time. Cronkite or Murrow helped shape public opinion through TV (and radio to an extent). That is what The First Amendment was established to protect. There was once a dialectic by which the people might reach decisions.

At present we’re badly out of sync - the meme thread on the front page right now discusses some of that phenomenon - I would contend that trumpism hitched itself to Fox and has managed to strike hard and perhaps permanent damage to discourse through an utter abandonment of reality and an embrace of self-serving made-up reality (that trump won the 2020 election for example or more broadly his complete dishonesty on every subject of which he speaks)…Fox and lesser rightist media have taken up that way and amplified it. This has not happened in the center (there are very few leftist medias that are popular - Democracy Now! Is probably the most prominent - but it is also by far one of the most reality-based deliverers of news).
 
diddyshane said:
I absolutely believe that things will change. They always do. They will provide whatever gets viewers. So they will change as viewers change. The question is whether viewers will begin to demand better? That I don’t have much optimism.
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Kids like 40 and below don't watch any news, at all
Weird shit-but that what I see And I am talking kids with masters degrees and kids that are Mechanics
 
diddyshane said:
I absolutely believe that things will change. They always do. They will provide whatever gets viewers. So they will change as viewers change. The question is whether viewers will begin to demand better? That I don’t have much optimism.
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So many of the owners of media own them as parts of their holdings. It's not exactly the same sort of profit motive. It's possible to use parts of the media as ,in effect, loss leaders if the overall profits or power of the holdings increase. Profits and views should still be motivators but might not be so immediately responsive.
 
mpaer said:
Kids like 40 and below don't watch any news, at all
Weird shit-but that what I see And I am talking kids with masters degrees and kids that are Mechanics
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From some of the interviews Jordan Klepper does some only get an infusion of truth social and that's their opinion.
 
mpaer said:
Kids like 40 and below don't watch any news, at all
Weird shit-but that what I see And I am talking kids with masters degrees and kids that are Mechanics
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I don't watch any. I follow what catches my interest on line in various and sundry ways.
 
diddyshane said:
I absolutely believe that things will change. They always do. They will provide whatever gets viewers. So they will change as viewers change. The question is whether viewers will begin to demand better? That I don’t have much optimism.
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If there is an internal threat to the country, I believe it to be the media that has greatly aided in the political division and hostility we now suffer. There are others of course. Widening wealth gap, The influence and money provided to politicians via the billionaire class, etc. But none of that is as powerful and difficult to reign in as the media (including the digital media)
 
heelinhell said:
I watch Nicole Wallace and Chris Hayes every night. Not once have I seen them being factually misleading or peddling false narratives so I have to respectfully call you out.
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Nicolle Wallace
  • Apology for Inaccurate Statement: In August 2019, Wallace issued an apology for mistakenly stating on her show that President Donald Trump was "talking about exterminating Latinos." She corrected her statement, clarifying it was an unintentional error, but maintained that Trump's language regarding immigration was intentional and constant.
  • Russiagate Coverage: Media critics have accused Wallace of consistently pushing the "Russia collusion" narrative and dismissing the Durham Report because her career was seen as "built upon" that story line. She also advised viewers not to trust the Hunter Biden laptop story, calling it a "Russian disinformation operation".
  • Defamation Lawsuit: Wallace's program is one of several MSNBC shows named in a high-profile $30 million defamation lawsuit. The suit alleges that the programs made "verifiably false" statements that a Georgia doctor performed unnecessary hysterectomies at an ICE center.
Chris Hayes
"Uterus Collector" Defamation Settlement (2025)
  • Case Details: In February 2025, MSNBC settled a $30 million defamation lawsuit brought by Dr. Mahendra Amin, a Georgia gynecologist.
  • The Misleading Claims: Hayes' program, All In, was specifically named for its 2020 coverage of a "whistleblower" letter that labeled the doctor a "uterus collector". The reports alleged he performed mass, unnecessary hysterectomies on women at an ICE detention center.
  • The Inaccuracy: A federal judge noted that while NBC investigated the claims and found they were not corroborated—and even undermined by their own findings—Hayes and others "republished the letter's accusations anyway".

Failure to Credit Source (2024)
  • Incident: In October 2024, Hayes featured a report on social media ads microtargeted at specific voting blocs in swing states.
  • The Misleading Presentation: On air, Hayes presented video and research that he and his team did not produce themselves, failing to credit the original source, 404 Media.
  • Acknowledgment: After being called out by journalist Jason Koebler, Hayes issued a public apology, admitting it was a "mistake" and a "100% my bad" situation for not disclosing where the material originated.

False Claims About Soldier "Heroism" (2012)
  • Statement: During a segment on Memorial Day weekend, Hayes stated he felt "uncomfortable" using the word "hero" to describe fallen soldiers, suggesting the term was "pro-war" rhetoric.
  • Impact: This was widely viewed as a misrepresentation of the service and intent of volunteer military members. Hayes later apologized, acknowledging that his attempt to have a "nuanced" discussion had failed and offended many.

General Criticism and Accuracy Ratings
  • Reliability Scores: External media analysts have sometimes flagged Hayes for favoring analysis and opinion over original fact-reporting. On some reliability scales, All In with Chris Hayes has received scores indicating a high variation in reliability due to its heavy emphasis on opinion and "interpretation" rather than strictly objective news.
  • Fact-Checking: PolitiFact has previously rated some of Hayes' on-air claims (such as those regarding federal tax percentages or economic data) as only "Half True," noting that while his general points may have a basis in fact, they often omit critical context that changes the overall truthfulness of the statement.

My point in posting that isn't intended to say you are wrong. It's to highlight that the misrepresentation, political bias, misleading, omitting facts for context, etc. is rampant and across all media. They all do it. They want you to be angry and manipulate your opinion.
 
Callatoroy said:
Nicolle Wallace
  • Apology for Inaccurate Statement: In August 2019, Wallace issued an apology for mistakenly stating on her show that President Donald Trump was "talking about exterminating Latinos." She corrected her statement, clarifying it was an unintentional error, but maintained that Trump's language regarding immigration was intentional and constant.
  • Russiagate Coverage: Media critics have accused Wallace of consistently pushing the "Russia collusion" narrative and dismissing the Durham Report because her career was seen as "built upon" that story line. She also advised viewers not to trust the Hunter Biden laptop story, calling it a "Russian disinformation operation".
  • Defamation Lawsuit: Wallace's program is one of several MSNBC shows named in a high-profile $30 million defamation lawsuit. The suit alleges that the programs made "verifiably false" statements that a Georgia doctor performed unnecessary hysterectomies at an ICE center.
Chris Hayes
"Uterus Collector" Defamation Settlement (2025)
  • Case Details: In February 2025, MSNBC settled a $30 million defamation lawsuit brought by Dr. Mahendra Amin, a Georgia gynecologist.
  • The Misleading Claims: Hayes' program, All In, was specifically named for its 2020 coverage of a "whistleblower" letter that labeled the doctor a "uterus collector". The reports alleged he performed mass, unnecessary hysterectomies on women at an ICE detention center.
  • The Inaccuracy: A federal judge noted that while NBC investigated the claims and found they were not corroborated—and even undermined by their own findings—Hayes and others "republished the letter's accusations anyway".

Failure to Credit Source (2024)
  • Incident: In October 2024, Hayes featured a report on social media ads microtargeted at specific voting blocs in swing states.
  • The Misleading Presentation: On air, Hayes presented video and research that he and his team did not produce themselves, failing to credit the original source, 404 Media.
  • Acknowledgment: After being called out by journalist Jason Koebler, Hayes issued a public apology, admitting it was a "mistake" and a "100% my bad" situation for not disclosing where the material originated.

False Claims About Soldier "Heroism" (2012)
  • Statement: During a segment on Memorial Day weekend, Hayes stated he felt "uncomfortable" using the word "hero" to describe fallen soldiers, suggesting the term was "pro-war" rhetoric.
  • Impact: This was widely viewed as a misrepresentation of the service and intent of volunteer military members. Hayes later apologized, acknowledging that his attempt to have a "nuanced" discussion had failed and offended many.

General Criticism and Accuracy Ratings
  • Reliability Scores: External media analysts have sometimes flagged Hayes for favoring analysis and opinion over original fact-reporting. On some reliability scales, All In with Chris Hayes has received scores indicating a high variation in reliability due to its heavy emphasis on opinion and "interpretation" rather than strictly objective news.
  • Fact-Checking: PolitiFact has previously rated some of Hayes' on-air claims (such as those regarding federal tax percentages or economic data) as only "Half True," noting that while his general points may have a basis in fact, they often omit critical context that changes the overall truthfulness of the statement.

My point in posting that isn't intended to say you are wrong. It's to highlight that the misrepresentation, political bias, misleading, omitting facts for context, etc. is rampant and across all media. They all do it. They want you to be angry and manipulate your opinion.
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HOw much did 60 min pay Trump? They all cater to their bases.
 
Callatoroy said:
Nicolle Wallace
  • Apology for Inaccurate Statement: In August 2019, Wallace issued an apology for mistakenly stating on her show that President Donald Trump was "talking about exterminating Latinos." She corrected her statement, clarifying it was an unintentional error, but maintained that Trump's language regarding immigration was intentional and constant.
  • Russiagate Coverage: Media critics have accused Wallace of consistently pushing the "Russia collusion" narrative and dismissing the Durham Report because her career was seen as "built upon" that story line. She also advised viewers not to trust the Hunter Biden laptop story, calling it a "Russian disinformation operation".
  • Defamation Lawsuit: Wallace's program is one of several MSNBC shows named in a high-profile $30 million defamation lawsuit. The suit alleges that the programs made "verifiably false" statements that a Georgia doctor performed unnecessary hysterectomies at an ICE center.
Chris Hayes
"Uterus Collector" Defamation Settlement (2025)
  • Case Details: In February 2025, MSNBC settled a $30 million defamation lawsuit brought by Dr. Mahendra Amin, a Georgia gynecologist.
  • The Misleading Claims: Hayes' program, All In, was specifically named for its 2020 coverage of a "whistleblower" letter that labeled the doctor a "uterus collector". The reports alleged he performed mass, unnecessary hysterectomies on women at an ICE detention center.
  • The Inaccuracy: A federal judge noted that while NBC investigated the claims and found they were not corroborated—and even undermined by their own findings—Hayes and others "republished the letter's accusations anyway".

Failure to Credit Source (2024)
  • Incident: In October 2024, Hayes featured a report on social media ads microtargeted at specific voting blocs in swing states.
  • The Misleading Presentation: On air, Hayes presented video and research that he and his team did not produce themselves, failing to credit the original source, 404 Media.
  • Acknowledgment: After being called out by journalist Jason Koebler, Hayes issued a public apology, admitting it was a "mistake" and a "100% my bad" situation for not disclosing where the material originated.

False Claims About Soldier "Heroism" (2012)
  • Statement: During a segment on Memorial Day weekend, Hayes stated he felt "uncomfortable" using the word "hero" to describe fallen soldiers, suggesting the term was "pro-war" rhetoric.
  • Impact: This was widely viewed as a misrepresentation of the service and intent of volunteer military members. Hayes later apologized, acknowledging that his attempt to have a "nuanced" discussion had failed and offended many.

General Criticism and Accuracy Ratings
  • Reliability Scores: External media analysts have sometimes flagged Hayes for favoring analysis and opinion over original fact-reporting. On some reliability scales, All In with Chris Hayes has received scores indicating a high variation in reliability due to its heavy emphasis on opinion and "interpretation" rather than strictly objective news.
  • Fact-Checking: PolitiFact has previously rated some of Hayes' on-air claims (such as those regarding federal tax percentages or economic data) as only "Half True," noting that while his general points may have a basis in fact, they often omit critical context that changes the overall truthfulness of the statement.

My point in posting that isn't intended to say you are wrong. It's to highlight that the misrepresentation, political bias, misleading, omitting facts for context, etc. is rampant and across all media. They all do it. They want you to be angry and manipulate your opinion.
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