Trump Addresses The Nation

bridgetender said:
Which of his policy implementation have you found the most beneficial for the country thus far?
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This is the answer I can never get from my acquaintances (having a harder time calling them “friends”) on the Right. They say they don’t like Trump, but support most of his policies. When I press them on policy specifics…especially the ones who help the majority of Americans…crickets.
 
RockyMtnHoo said:
This is the answer I can never get from my acquaintances (having a harder time calling them “friends”) on the Right. They say they don’t like Trump, but support most of his policies. When I press them on policy specifics…especially the ones who help the majority of Americans…crickets.
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It's like getting one to actually define the scope and harm of the supposed Immigration crisis. Never yet heard anything from them that doesn't conflate that and the drug trade. They also can never seem to come up with any prior example of waves of immigrants actually harming us.
 
Focus on policy would be by far the desirable way to conduct our constitutional democratic republican experiment -- and always has been. But now we are engaged in a more acute set of circumstances as our chief executive and those he has gathered around him are clearly determined to circumvent and otherwise disarm the mechanisms that were designed so as to relieve us as a nation from concerns that the plan of governing be threatened with dismantling and thus the entire shabang be rendered neutralized.

We cannot safely focus on policy at this time so threatened is the blueprint of our government by trumpism. To focus on policy and not on the real assault on the integrity of The Constitution is to fiddle while Rome burns.
 
finesse said:
It's like getting one to actually define the scope and harm of the supposed Immigration crisis. Never yet heard anything from them that doesn't conflate that and the drug trade. They also can never seem to come up with any prior example of waves of immigrants actually harming us.
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They also say immigrants should come the legal way, so when I ask them, "ok let's give them all an easier path to citizenship to make them legal" they don't like that either.
 
Callatoroy said:
I was and am tired of the hyperbole driven world of politics where hyperbolic comments and emotional instability blocked all avenues of logic and rational interaction. I could see some of myself in it and it was disgusting. So, I took a big step back and decided I had to change from being so stressed and angry by politics.
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So an emotion (disgust) led you to take a step back and stop being emotional (stressed and angry) about politics. Interesting. Not particularly rational, but interesting...
 
Callatoroy said:
A better analogy is if I went to the fair and had 2 choices for food. One option is corn dogs sold by a mean person and the other is a shit sandwich sold by someone that didn’t say mean things.
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The only way we can even begin to decide if a person is mean or not is by the things they say. How do you know the person selling corn dogs is mean if not by his words? How do you know the person selling shit sandwiches is not mean just b/c he isn't saying mean things at that moment? Does it make any sense to call a person mean or not mean without reference to the words they use? Listen and read the words Trump uses every day..
 
What has always confused the average American is that the economy doesn’t turn on a dime or that the mechanism the president has to make a difference is limited in the short run. I question the impact of chasing off the immigrants who work our farms and build our houses is going to have on the economy. We certainly have not seen the full impact on the economy of Trump’s tariffs.

Standby.
 
hedge said:
The only way we can even begin to decide if a person is mean or not is by the things they say. How do you know the person selling corn dogs is mean if not by his words? How do you know the person selling shit sandwiches is not mean just b/c he isn't saying mean things at that moment? Does it make any sense to call a person mean or not mean without reference to the words they use? Listen and read the words Trump uses every day..
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The point was the two choices. Where have I ever defended most of the stuff he says? The only thing that I can recall disputing is some of the stuff that got called racist. The majority of crap he says I don’t defend.
 
hedge said:
So an emotion (disgust) led you to take a step back and stop being emotional (stressed and angry) about politics. Interesting. Not particularly rational, but interesting...
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Led to it which in turn led to less stress and anger.
 
diddyshane said:
What has always confused the average American is that the economy doesn’t turn on a dime or that the mechanism the president has to make a difference is limited in the short run. I question the impact of chasing off the immigrants who work our farms and build our houses is going to have on the economy. We certainly have not seen the full impact on the economy of Trump’s tariffs.

Standby.
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I'm still of the opinion that the main reason democracy is the best system of government is that the very slowness with which we move cushions the effects of radical ideas running out of control. Two excellent examples are Prohibition which empowered the Mafia, enriched the unscrupulous and damaged the respect that the nation had for law enforcement. It was accompanied closely in time and spirit with the eugenics movement. Prohibition was roundly rejected and eugenics has generally lost favor. Hard to believe that we thought the same draconian approach to drugs that we took with alcohol wouldn't do much the same for drug traffickers.

It does put the nation on a seesaw of ideas but that seesaw can be pretty good at balancing the scales if we care about what works for the nation and not a party.
 
It is projected that white folks will lose their majority status in less than 20 years. I wonder if this is what frightens white folks as the watch and experience the "browning" of America more so than fearing being raped and murdered by people of color.

Diving a bit deeper I wonder if this fear is based upon an unconscious awareness of how the white majority has treated the non white minority throughout our history and worries a non-white majority might react in kind.
 
heelinhell said:
It is projected that white folks will lose their majority status in less than 20 years. I wonder if this is what frightens white folks as the watch and experience the "browning" of America more so than fearing being raped and murdered by people of color.

Diving a bit deeper I wonder if this fear is based upon an unconscious awareness of how the white majority has treated the non white minority throughout our history and worries a non-white majority might react in kind.
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Maybe it's time that they realize their interpretation of the Golden Rule has some barbs to it when used against them.
 
Callatoroy said:
A better analogy is if I went to the fair and had 2 choices for food. One option is corn dogs sold by a mean person and the other is a shit sandwich sold by someone that didn’t say mean things.
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The problem with that analogy, of course, is that you were conned into accepting a shit sandwich from a mean person.
 
If you've missed the overt challenge to his drug and immigration policies, you just might not be ready for that.
 
Callatoroy said:
I also no longer enjoy talking about politicians because it kills any discussion of actual policy. Pick any recent topic and inevitably it comes back to trump rather than the actual pros / cons of the policy. How many topics on the front page of this board don’t wind up being dominated by trump vs the actual policy? This board is dominated by emotions and I think many come here every day and some all day as a method of seeking / providing emotional support.
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Do you think the end justifies the means? Or does it matter how we as a country do something?

I'm thinking specifically about some policies and actions in the immigration context, which you mentioned was a key issue for you. For example the Abrego Garcia case. It appears he could have been lawfully removed while adhering to due process requirements. But the administration didn't do it that way. And they bragged about it. And then they did everything they could to avoid correcting their legal mistakes. As another example, the family separation policy. Putting aside the legality, does the morality of the policy matter? There are inarguably less cruel and barbaric ways to dissuade illegal immigration.

I'm distinguishing between the "what" and the "how" of a policy. If you support the "what" (stopping illegal immigration), does the "how" matter?
 
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