Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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BlooVooDoo said:
It’s not as simple as that. It’s not just a bad database, but the data are not trustworthy as evidenced by the weekly retractions of bullshit conclusions.

If sound, actionable conclusions are the goal, no data > bad data.
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Garbage in. Garbage out with Musk. His algorithms and decision making are amateurish and beyond flawed. And executed by teen incels. What could possibly go wrong?
 
Duke Mu said:
I can't get behind raping the Constitution and Article I. Congress has to spell it out in the next budget, and they may.
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Maybe. And I'm guessing if it's a congressionally mandated program, the courts are going to clap back.

But if it is a situation where Congress, for example says we're going to give $2 billion to usaid to further democracy efforts, abdicating responsibility to the executive branch on what those specifics are, I think the proper role of the elected executive is to make those decisions and cut programs that are not benefiting the taxpayer.
 
nycfan said:
Why on earth would those be the only two choices?
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I think this becomes one of those the enemy the good is the perfect situation. A month ago we didn't have any database of cuts that were being made or not made, even a bad database. There was no place that listed any of the cuts. Was anyone out there criticizing the fact that there was no database? I'd rather have what we have now than what we had a month ago And I'd rather have an easily searchable database with more details than what we have today. But I don't want to wait for that better database. I'd rather have the bad one now.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. I could get behind that sort of thing but I guess it's ultimately on Trump and the judicial branch. If Trump gives Elon agency to slash programs Musk doesn't like, presumably with some direction from Trump on which programs should be cut, and the judiciary says it's okay, I guess we don't need no stinking audits or committees. And the voters can decide if they like that approach. I have a feeling they will like some of the decisions but on the whole, they won't like most of them.
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If they follow that path there will be a great deal of suffering. I am very familiar with how the government works with private agencies that provide health services to individuals under programs like Medicare and Medicaid. If they do what you say huge numbers of people are going to pay a heavy price for indiscriminate slashing of these programs. I hope no one you know is in a nursing home now, because the cuts to these programs will cause many to close.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Would you rather he just left them there and made no corrections? Would you rather he simply cut the programs and didn't tell you what he was cutting? Doge going to make mistakes. Musk has acknowledged that. But The majority of voters like the cuts for now. I'm one of them.
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I want the data to be the driver of sound decisions rather than a post hoc accounting of how big a fuck up some clowns committed.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
5%? Every president of the United States. Every inspector general of the United States. They might have to ask other people for certain information, but ultimately they have access to it. I don't understand why piercing that shroud of secrecy, which bureaucrats and fraudsters alike have hidden behind, is so upsetting for you.
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Apparently you did not read what I said or did not care to. I said to name a person who has not been through election, vetting, or congressional approval.

You proceeded to name only people who have been through those exact processes.

Do you see me bitching about Trump or RFK having that power and access? No. They at least went through Democratic processes as much as I hate where they are.

There is NO objection to piercing a veil. These folks you support are figuaritvely the Iron Curtain falling across our governmental systems. They are the polar opposite of transparency.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. I could get behind that sort of thing but I guess it's ultimately on Trump and the judicial branch. If Trump gives Elon agency to slash programs Musk doesn't like, presumably with some direction from Trump on which programs should be cut, and the judiciary says it's okay, I guess we don't need no stinking audits or committees. And the voters can decide if they like that approach. I have a feeling they will like some of the decisions but on the whole, they won't like most of them.
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"And the voters can decide if they like that approach"

Will they be able to?
 
BlooVooDoo said:
I want the data to be the driver of sound decisions rather than a post hoc accounting of how big a fuck up some clowns committed.
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This is the way to do it. These healthcare agencies are audited regularly. It’s like the sanitary grade a restaurant receives from inspectors. The restaurant is checked and graded on a regular basis. So are health agencies. Any agency that receives government payments is audited. You can get away with fraud for a while, but you WILL eventually get caught. Depending on the level of fraud you can lose your licenses. You can also be fined. Not just the amount of the fraud, but also you will get slapped with penalties.
The problem we are dealing with now is people are proposing drastic changes to these programs who don’t a fucking thing about them. As someone who does have a background in healthcare, I’m worried.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Apparently you did not read what I said or did not care to. I said to name a person who has not been through election, vetting, or congressional approval.

You proceeded to name only people who have been through those exact processes.

Do you see me bitching about Trump or RFK having that power and access? No. They at least went through Democratic processes as much as I hate where they are.

There is NO objection to piercing a veil. These folks you support are figuaritvely the Iron Curtain falling across our governmental systems. They are the polar opposite of transparency.
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Okay. Apologies that I missed the continuation.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Well that's working its way through the courts but there are plenty of government employees and unpaid concerned American citizens that were not candidates, were not vetted, and were not congressionally approved. I don't think that really proves your point.
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??? This doesn't make any sense at all
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Doge going to make mistakes. Musk has acknowledged that.
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This is in no way acceptable. If Doge is going to make mistakes in the all-out blitz, the answer is not to say, "oh, shoot, what can we do when they fire our bird flu researchers and our nuclear arsenal technicians? Everyone makes mistakes."

The answer to hurl the DOGE idiots to the street and do things the right way: ask questions before shooting.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think that sort of analysis will lead to zero cuts which is what led to the bloat. I don't think that's great either.
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If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
 
tonman said:
If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
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I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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Certainly DOGes little computer analysts have NO CLUE who is or is not sitting around
 
tonman said:
If you think that getting rid of the bloat by laying off workers will make the government more efficient u are wrong. Bloat is caused by procedural issues. It could be the defined process needing to be followed or poor infrastructure and tech. I guarantee u it's not people sitting around doing nothing. All the so called money saved where is it going? Bloat is like counting ballots by hand. You get rid of half the people the ballots are not going to be done faster. Unless you force the workers to work "harder". Hmmm. There is a reason to all this and it's not good. Trump is a means to an end.
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Great post.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I don't think there is a way you can guarantee workers aren't sitting around doing nothing anymore than I can guarantee they are.

To use your bloat analogy, bloat would be more like we had a bunch of workers to count ballots by hand. We got a new electronic counting system and needed half as many workers but there was no procedure to reduce headcount. So now we have workers doing nothing or being half as productive.
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This may have already been stated in another thread—the federal workforce has been roughly the same size (around 3 million workers) for the last 60 years or so.

The US population has nearly doubled during that time.

So as a percentage of the total workforce in the US, the fed government employs a far smaller share than ever before.

The idea that there’s “bloat” in the workforce is patently dumb.
 
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