We'll wait. No one else can can quite do as good a job of embarrassing yourself as well as you.
Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway
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genevabuck
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I’m a teacher up here in Ohio. Most of the top dogs that I am talking to have a feeling that they won’t completely axe the Department of Education. They will just destroy and gut it so bad that it might as well be an empty building.
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As usual, the clown has no idea what he's talking about. It's $100B in "improper payments" -- which is defined to mean payments that were not correct when made. Some of them are overpayments and some are underpayments. In this figure, those don't cancel out, because they are measuring the total number of improper payments, not looking for a budgetary impact.
Here's a link.
Medicare and Medicaid: Additional Actions Needed to Enhance Program Integrity and Save Billions
Both Medicare and Medicaid are susceptible to payment errors—over $100 billion worth in 2023. Known as "improper payments," these are payments that...
The other thing, of course, is that morons and not intelligent people see $X in "fraud" and think, "oh, think about what we could do with that $X" as if anyone ever anywhere has reduced fraud to zero. If there's $X in fraud, then chances are the best you could do by stepping up enforcement would be X/10, and that's highly optimistic. Agencies have been going after fraud for years.
But then again, what would GOP leadership know about that? It's not as if one of the Senators from Florida ever touched Medicaid fraud, right? Right? Oh. Maybe they should put Rick Scott on the case. He knows a lot about Medicaid fraud.
Set a thief...As usual, the clown has no idea what he's talking about. It's $100B in "improper payments" -- which is defined to mean payments that were not correct when made. Some of them are overpayments and some are underpayments. In this figure, those don't cancel out, because they are measuring the total number of improper payments, not looking for a budgetary impact.
Here's a link.
Medicare and Medicaid: Additional Actions Needed to Enhance Program Integrity and Save Billions
Both Medicare and Medicaid are susceptible to payment errors—over $100 billion worth in 2023. Known as "improper payments," these are payments that...www.gao.gov
The other thing, of course, is that morons and not intelligent people see $X in "fraud" and think, "oh, think about what we could do with that $X" as if anyone ever anywhere has reduced fraud to zero. If there's $X in fraud, then chances are the best you could do by stepping up enforcement would be X/10, and that's highly optimistic. Agencies have been going after fraud for years.
But then again, what would GOP leadership know about that? It's not as if one of the Senators from Florida ever touched Medicaid fraud, right? Right? Oh. Maybe they should put Rick Scott on the case. He knows a lot about Medicaid fraud.
superrific
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No, you made it up. What you quoted is not an estimate of fraud.
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If it's not an issue, I'm not sure why it would matter. You're the one that's flippant about it, not me.
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No, you want tens of thousands of people fired. You just somehow think it's worse that I'm willing to direct it at someone personally versus you taking away their humanity simply because they work for the government.
sringwal
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You have got to get over this passive aggressive victimization phase you are going through. It weakens whatever argument you are trying to make at the time and, quite frankly, is beneath you.
There really isn’t any way to estimate fraud. The only way to find specific examples of fraud is through the audit function. Once fraud has been found, then it can be addressed. Now auditing is not sexy, and it is time consuming, but it’s the only way to actually find fraud.
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Considering his history, is it really beneath him?
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And pretty much 100% of Americans are in agreement to address when actual fraud is uncovered.
I'm not sure how indiscriminately firing people will help with fraud. Seems like less oversight caused by fewer employees would lead to increased fraud.
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And the not sexy , tedious auditing function is not what DoGe is doing.
Mulberry Heel
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It's already been shown that DOGE's claims of finding fraud had been grossly exaggerated in some agencies and simply false in others. There are articles showing that DOGE has already had to go back on many of their claims, including ridiculously inflated claims as to how much taxpayer money they're saving. And not only that, they have also literally fired people who are so vital in some agencies - like nuclear weapons inspectors - that they've had to go back and try to rehire them, but in some cases had not even gotten the email addresses or phone numbers of the people they'd fired and so had to do a frantic search to even find them. This has all been a massive clusterf*** from top to bottom and will no doubt be recorded by history as such.
And there is not nearly enough fraud or scams in the government to even begin to pay for all of the massive cuts that Republicans and Project 2025 want to make. At a minimum they're going to have to slash Medicaid, and likely cut or try to privatize Medicare or Social Security too. And I'm sure that when that happens our usual suspects will be here telling us that this is all perfectly normal, that Democrats are somehow just as bad, and that Medicaid and/or Medicare and/or Social Security all needed to be cut or privatized, despite their assurances on this board during the campaign that this would all never happen.
And there is not nearly enough fraud or scams in the government to even begin to pay for all of the massive cuts that Republicans and Project 2025 want to make. At a minimum they're going to have to slash Medicaid, and likely cut or try to privatize Medicare or Social Security too. And I'm sure that when that happens our usual suspects will be here telling us that this is all perfectly normal, that Democrats are somehow just as bad, and that Medicaid and/or Medicare and/or Social Security all needed to be cut or privatized, despite their assurances on this board during the campaign that this would all never happen.
Indiscriminately firing employees won’t help at all.
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Auditing? Heck, just think with your gut to find fraud. DOGE finds it instantly that way. Very convenient.
Mulberry Heel
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I seriously doubt whether the mostly college-age hackers and tech nerds being employed by DOGE and Musk would even know how to do a proper government audit. And that's almost certainly deliberate - Musk, Trump, and Company doesn't want things done in the proper and accurate way. It's easier to just randomly fire huge numbers of government workers, falsely claim vast savings, and spin the rubes on the need for even greater cuts in essential services while they milk the government for their own profit.
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Of course! How could I have been so stupid?
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Hey GT, I found some waste that can easily be cut to save our tax dollars.
www.huffpost.com
Trump Golf Weekends’ Cost To Taxpayers Hits $18.2 Million
Donald Trump has played golf at his own courses in Florida on six of the seven weekends since his second term began.
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gtyellowjacket
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Really? You've read these comments from some of these folks. Is it victimization to say they can do whatever they want? I'm really not following you.
Honestly a lot of them should be ashamed of themselves acting like that... but they'll probably revel in me even mentioning it. No worries. I certainly prefer to discuss it with people that don't act like children but me throwing the insults back at them is just going to encourage them and lower me.
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