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[Mulberry Heel]

Do you think it's a coincidence that Biden, a center left traditional Democrat, kicked Trump's ass while Hillary and Kamala lost?

Biden did win the popular vote by a decent margin (about 4.5%) but he barely squeaked by in the electoral college, so it was not an ass kicking. As for why, I don't think it's an accident that Biden was male and Hillary and Kamala were women. And Biden also had Trump's disastrous handling of covid (and it was awful) and sharp economic downtown during covid to thank for that win as well. It was a lot harder to justify voting for Trump when he was still in office and had been for four years, as opposed to Hillary where he hadn't served as POTUS yet, or like Kamala where people had four years to apparently develop amnesia about him. And exactly how were Hillary and Kamala "woke" and Biden wasn't?

 

[UNCatTech]

I don't think Hillary's loss is much different than Kamala's loss. I think Hillary lost because the Democratic Party had aligned itself much too closely with the woke / cancel culture/censorship contingency and she did nothing to disavow it. I think Kamala was largely a victim of the same thing. Voters were pushing back against identity politics and trans activism and she did nothing to disavow either of those two things.

Dude, you do realize that the EC beat Hillary, not trump, correct? If she and the democrats' policies are so off base how the fuck did she get more votes than a lying charlatan that promised everything to everyone?

No, you are pushing back against trans activism, why not just admit that you hate trans people and will be voting republican for the foreseeable future? We all know your position, it's clear, you can stop repeating yourself.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I don't think it's a surprise to say that there is a decent number of voters who, regardless of the candidate, are going to vote because there is an R or a D next to their name. That is their only criteria.

I truly believe there are a large number of people, religious or not, who will move back and forth between parties depending on who the presidential candidate is. Like I said, Biden got the most votes of any candidates in the history of the country. There was nothing exceptional about him That would justify that. People came out in huge numbers to vote against Trump, I believe, because Trump is a piece of shit and Biden was a center left, traditional Democrats who had really no ties to the woke / cancel culture/identity politics/trans activist arm of the Democratic Party. Trump pounded on Kamala for her view on taxpayer funded sex change operations for illegal immigrants who were incarcerated. She did quite literally nothing to separate herself from those past views. Those views are ludicrous. To imagine that that's how taxpayer money should be spent is just insanity and I think voters responded.

Honestly, by posting that large numbers of Trump voters voted for him because they honestly believed that Kamala was going to support taxpayer-funded prison sex change operations (and that this was a major problem in our society) you're just undermining your own argument. You really do have to be gullible or poorly-informed in the extreme to believe that this is a real problem in our society - in other words, a rube. And I also disagree that there are large numbers of people who switch between the parties anymore - the election results since 2000 (with the exception of Obama's decisive 2008 win) would certainly seem to argue against your position.

 

[UNCatTech]

Your party

So, you're over playing the fence...

Finally, just admitting where you stand. That's nice. I'd rather discuss things with the people on the right here instead of your constant contrarian, bosiding, fence sitting bullshit.

And you can stop telling us how you hate trans people, it's very clear from all of your statements.

 

[finesse]

A for what it's worth. As of October, there has been two such surgeries in federal care total. Notice it was required by a federal court.


At the time, no federal prisoner had received gender-affirming surgery. The first gender-affirming surgery was provided to a U.S. federal prisoner in 2022, after a federal court ruling stated that the government was required to provide this care. A second surgery took place in 2023.

 

[UNCatTech]

A for what it's worth. As of October, there has been two such surgeries in federal care total. Notice it was required by a federal court.


At the time, no federal prisoner had received gender-affirming surgery. The first gender-affirming surgery was provided to a U.S. federal prisoner in 2022, after a federal court ruling stated that the government was required to provide this care. A second surgery took place in 2023.

Don't tell the uninformed republicans that. They know that 50% of federal prisoners are having gender affirming surgery, just like trump told them that a boy could go to school and come home a girl.

Some posters here are proving to fall squarely in that uninformed voter category.

 

[ZenMode]

Dude, you do realize that the EC beat Hillary, not trump, correct? If she and the democrats' policies are so off base how the fuck did she get more votes than a lying charlatan that promised everything to everyone?

No, you are pushing back against trans activism, why not just admit that you hate trans people and will be voting republican for the foreseeable future? We all know your position, it's clear, you can stop repeating yourself.

Because I don't hate anyone based on such ridiculously trivial characteristics and I didn't vote for Trump in any election. I also voted for (D) Ruben Gallego because Kari Lake is a MAGA nut.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just waiting for one party to nominate a decent presidential candidate and for that candidate to express some reasonable views on a variety of topics, including social topics....and to be honest.

I didn't mention the border, but that was also a deciding factor for voters.

Remember when the Democratic Party was the party of the middle class? So do I.

The results paint a clear picture: Democrats were punished for inflation, misalignment on immigration and cultural issues, and Biden. The top three reasons not to vote for Harris were:

“Inflation was too high under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+24)

“Too many immigrants illegally crossed the border under the Biden-Harris Administration” (+23)

“Kamala Harris is focused more on cultural issues like transgender issues rather than helping the middle class” (+17).

Why America Chose Trump: Inflation, Immigration, and the Democratic Brand - Blueprint

Harris couldn’t outrun her past or her party— it was a vice grip that proved impossible to escape.

blueprint2024.com

 

[finesse]

And a couple are so full of shit, their eyes are brown.

 

[lawtig02]

So a few posts above you drew attention to the amount of the settlement as "significant," implying the amount was damaging, but now it's irrelevant? All righty...have it your way, counselor

And Stephanopoulos' show, This Week, routinely competes with Meet The Press for the top slot in the Sunday show ratings (a quick google search will confirm this if you like). No way is ABC getting rid of him for that. Only way he loses his show is if your orange god-king pressures ABC to do it through corrupt/loyalist government officials after he takes office, which is a far more likely possibility.

And you've mischaracterized Kristol's quotation. Here is his tweet:



The "inflection point" doesn't refer to ABC paying Trump because of what George "Slopadopalous" (as Trump calls him) said, but because they gave up without a fight, essentially bending the knee in advance to a would-be autocrat or what will likely be an imperial presidency. Note his use of the word "Orbanization."

I can't help but feel that this is a bad-faith argument....color me shocked.

Oh my. Yeah, that’s a completely different quote than Ramrouser suggested. And Kristol is 100% right about that.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Trump pounded on Kamala for her view on taxpayer funded sex change operations for illegal immigrants who were incarcerated. She did quite literally nothing to separate herself from those past views. Those views are ludicrous. To imagine that that's how taxpayer money should be spent is just insanity and I think voters responded.

Of course there was more to than that, but if Democrats keep taking the approach that 75 million people in the country are just uneducated, hyper religious fools... They are in for a rude awakening at the polls.

So your argument is that 75-million plus people voted against Kamala Harris because they honestly believed that taxpayer-funded transgender surgeries are a serious issue and that "woke" policies (and let's be honest here, you're really talking about the Democrat's support of LGBTQ people) are killing Democrats at the polls. Have you seen that 2022 survey of Americans which showed that they vastly exaggerated the percentages of gay and lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people in our society (and blacks and atheists, for that matter)? I would be willing to be that those who do vastly exaggerate the numbers of these people are mostly Trumpers, and they are totally and utterly wrong in their assumptions. So what would you call these people (and yes, that includes any Democrats who believe that blacks are 30% of the population instead of about 12 to 13%)? Some nice words that might be used are poorly-informed, unrealistic, or mistaken. Some harsher and more accurate terms are gullible, ignorant, easily-conned, and yes, rubes. And nowhere did I say that all Trumpers are uneducated (they don't have a college degree, they're not "uneducated") or hyper religious, although a majority of them likely are Evangelical "hyper religious".

 

[CarolinaFever]

So your argument is that 75-million plus people voted against Kamala Harris because they honestly believed that taxpayer-funded transgender surgeries are a serious issue and that "woke" policies (and let's be honest here, you're really talking about the Democrat's support of LGBTQ people) are killing Democrats at the polls. Have you seen that 2022 survey of Americans which showed that they vastly exaggerated the percentages of gay and lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people in our society (and blacks and atheists, for that matter)? I would be willing to be that those who do vastly exaggerate the numbers of these people are mostly Trumpers, and they are totally and utterly wrong in their assumptions. So what would you call these people (and yes, that includes any Democrats who believe that blacks are 30% of the population instead of about 12 to 13%)? Some nice words that might be used are poorly-informed, unrealistic, or mistaken. Some harsher and more accurate terms are gullible, ignorant, easily-conned, and yes, rubes. And nowhere did I say that all Trumpers are uneducated (they don't have a college degree, they're not "uneducated") or hyper religious, although a majority of them likely are Evangelical "hyper religious".

Don't you know it's the Dems' fault for the majority of the people being either racist and bigoted Christian nationalists, greedy, or just plain fools for electing Trump?

 

[WaynetheDrain]

Never Trumper Bill Kristol is calling the ABC settlement with Trump as an “inflection point” in our politics. Major Media paying damages to a President elect for defamation of one of its main news anchors is a Big Deal. The amount of damages is irrelevant.

It's actually very troubling to me that you, claiming to be a lawyer, don't understand what Kristol meant by "inflection point." I'm going to give you a hint: He's agreeing with us, not you.

 

[Ramrouser]

I get the Kristol quote and it’s delicious given how biased, unfair and now defamatory the legacy media has been against Trump and the Republicans.

This is surrender by ABC and Trump won. Everybody’s now headed to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring and make a donation. After Russia Russia Russia. Fine people on both sides, laptop disinformation and lawfare, this is a sight to behold.

 

[WaynetheDrain]

I get the Kristol quote and it’s delicious given how biased, unfair and now defamatory the legacy media has been against Trump and the Republicans.

This is surrender by ABC and Trump won. Everybody’s now headed to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring and make a donation. After Russia Russia Russia. Fine people on both sides, laptop disinformation and lawfare, this is a sight to behold.

You're openly celebrating the authoritarian stranglehold on the free press in this country.

 

[finesse]

Didn't you know that the way to make America great again is to turn your back on everything it stands for?

 

[lawtig02]

I get the Kristol quote and it’s delicious given how biased, unfair and now defamatory the legacy media has been against Trump and the Republicans.

This is surrender by ABC and Trump won. Everybody’s now headed to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring and make a donation. After Russia Russia Russia. Fine people on both sides, laptop disinformation and lawfare, this is a sight to behold.

LOL. “I get it, which is why I totally misrepresented it in my first post.”

 

[UNCatTech]

I get the Kristol quote and it’s delicious given how biased, unfair and now defamatory the legacy media has been against Trump and the Republicans.

This is surrender by ABC and Trump won. Everybody’s now headed to Mar-a-Lago to kiss the ring and make a donation. After Russia Russia Russia. Fine people on both sides, laptop disinformation and lawfare, this is a sight to behold.

A sad sight to behold.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I had little doubt that many Trumpers would JCD everything he does, and here we are. A poster who literally is celebrating the "surrender" of the free press in this country to Trump. So much for Freedom of the Press and the Bill of Rights I suppose, but if it helps Dear Leader and makes him even more powerful then I'm all for it! Who needs those freedoms anyway? Certainly not the news media - they should all be like Fox News and OAN and Newsmax every single day!

Having said that, I do think that our "legacy" news media has let us all down big time, albeit not for the reasons Trumpers would like to think. And I also have no faith moving forward that the great majority of our news media is going to do anything but bend the knee at every opportunity.

 

[Ramrouser]

I’m celebrating the surrender of the worthless, biased and bloated legacy media that is getting everything they deserve. They are the ones who have lost credibility with the American people due to their lies and biases. As a result their influence has been waning and waning over time. Trump just finished them off. The free press is a lot more than the antiquated legacy media. Plenty of free press out there to consume so we’re good.

 

[StrangePackage]

I’m celebrating the surrender of the worthless, biased and bloated legacy media that is getting everything they deserve. They are the ones who have lost credibility with the American people due to their lies and biases. As a result their influence has been waning and waning over time. Trump just finished them off. The free press is a lot more than the antiquated legacy media. Plenty of free press out there to consume so we’re good.

I would be utterly fascinated to hear what your media diet is like.