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So, again, maga, your techno-god is, at best, sympathetic to the idea you have mass intellectual disability.

Congrats, Musk wants nothing to do with you (other than your fawning praise and traffic on that site), prefers you live in servitude, but on the flip side Dems dooooo want to offer free retraining for a modern economy, free college, and free childcare to facilitate skill building, so I def get it! Fuck Dems.
 

Musk and Ramaswamy defend foreign worker visas, sparking MAGA backlash​


Social media posts by Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy arguing in favor of expanding the visa program for highly skilled workers have set off a debate among supporters of President-elect Donald Trump over how the program should fit into the incoming administration’s aggressive immigration agenda.

Musk and Ramaswamy, whom Trump has tapped to lead his Department of Government Efficiency, defended companies who use workers on H-1B visas, arguing tech companies — including those owned by Musk — depend on foreign workers to operate. But their message rankled some of Trump’s most loyal defenders who expect his administration to crack down on immigration and promote American labor.

Trump restricted access to foreign worker visas during his first term and has targeted the H-1B program in past remarks. But during the 2024 campaign, Trump signaled openness to giving some foreign-born workers legal status if they graduated from a US university.

In a social media post on Wednesday, Musk said US tech companies need “double” the amount of engineers working in America today and compared the benefits of the program to a professional sports team recruiting the best talent from around the world.

“If you want your TEAM to win the championship, you need to recruit top talent wherever they may be. That enables the whole TEAM to win,” Musk wrote on X.

“I am referring to bringing in via legal immigration the top ~0.1% of engineering talent as being essential for America to keep winning,” Musk wrote in another post on Thursday. “Thinking of America as a pro sports team that has been winning for a long time and wants to keep winning is the right mental construct.”

Ramaswamy, a first-generation US citizen whose parents immigrated from India, concurred with Musk while defending companies that look outside the US for labor, arguing tech companies hire engineers who were born outside the US or born to American immigrants because “American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence,” citing portrayals of smart students in TV sitcoms “Boy Meets World,” “Saved By The Bell” and “Family Matters” as evidence.

 
lawtig02 said:
This is why MAGA is just completely unsustainable absent an Orban-like destruction of our democratic institutions. Elon and Vivek cannot coexist in a political alliance with Joe from Waco and Peggy from Tupelo. It's not just that they're completely different people with incompatible worldviews. It's that when you dig an inch beneath the surface, they absolutely HATE each other. I think Elon is extremely dangerous in the moment, but it's possible we look back on him as the first cancer cell that led to MAGA's destruction. There's no chance Trump has the brains or the cleverness to hold this together.
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Right-wing media to the rescue!
 
nycfan said:
On a related note, in case you missed Ramaswamy’s critique of American culture that is somewhat at the root of this Muskovites v MAGA violence:







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Short version - “normal” America sucks and is incapable of producing kids smart enough to be computer engineers. Not saying he is entirely wrong, but a curious message when your base is MAGA.
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He is wrong in many ways.

Intelligence, drive, and success manifest in various forms. He appears to want to confine it to his own perception of success.

I suppose it will be beneficial when we have an excess of doctors and engineers, leading to surplus of labor and a decrease in demand and pay. Meanwhile, a reduction in the workers in other professions will drive up demand and pay.

We have already witnessed this phenomenon. The culture of insisting that every child must attend college led to a lack of skilled tradespeople, causing an increase in demand and many unfilled positions.

It is not as simple as he seems believe. Everyone is different, not all people are driven toward the 100-hour work week for life's fulfillment.

Balance is essential. Balance between work and life, as well as in fulfilling all the job roles this country.
 
I'm ok with bringing in the 'best of the best' or 'top 0.1%' - and it seems like ending the H1B lottery and replacing it with filling the spots by ranking the highest paid positions would possibly address this (and surely create some unforeseen consequence). The big issue I have with the current H1B program is companies using it for cheap workers rather than highly skilled workers.
I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like writing reports, testing software, or being a sysadmin. I'm all for bringing in the Werner Von Brauns of A.I. or chip making - superstars to LEAD areas that we want to excel in. Not just cheap labor for companies because they don't want to hire and train folks out of local community colleges or lower tier universities.
Also agree that if someone has taken up a spot in our education system it does us well to let them stay here and reap the benefits of that education - otherwise I'd question why we didn't give that spot in the university to a citizen.
 
NCK9 said:
I'm ok with bringing in the 'best of the best' or 'top 0.1%' - and it seems like ending the H1B lottery and replacing it with filling the spots by ranking the highest paid positions would possibly address this (and surely create some unforeseen consequence). The big issue I have with the current H1B program is companies using it for cheap workers rather than highly skilled workers.
I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like writing reports, testing software, or being a sysadmin. I'm all for bringing in the Werner Von Brauns of A.I. or chip making - superstars to LEAD areas that we want to excel in. Not just cheap labor for companies because they don't want to hire and train folks out of local community colleges or lower tier universities.
Also agree that if someone has taken up a spot in our education system it does us well to let them stay here and reap the benefits of that education - otherwise I'd question why we didn't give that spot in the university to a citizen.
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1. As much as I love Charlotte, the Werner von Brauns are not coming here to write reports and test software for BoA, Wells, Ally, etc.

2. Those companies are already hiring heavily from local and regional community colleges, UNCC, etc. MANY of those students were born in other countries. But there still aren't enough to fill the demand.

3. I fixed this sentence for you, as I think you may have mistyped a few things: "I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like spending money at our stores and restaurants, joining our churches and other places of worship, volunteering at our nonprofits, and making the community a much more energetic, interesting and fun place to live."
 
lawtig02 said:
1. As much as I love Charlotte, the Werner von Brauns are not coming here to write reports and test software for BoA, Wells, Ally, etc.
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We need the rocket scientists helping us with things like AI and chipmaking. Not banking reports. If we still have open spots after filling the highest paid/skilled spots then, sure, bring in folks to help with the mundane tasks.
lawtig02 said:
2. Those companies are already hiring heavily from local and regional community colleges, UNCC, etc. MANY of those students were born in other countries. But there still aren't enough to fill the demand.
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Aren't enough to fill the demand - at the current wages and working conditions.
lawtig02 said:
3. I fixed this sentence for you, as I think you may have mistyped a few things: "I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like spending money at our stores and restaurants, joining our churches and other places of worship, volunteering at our nonprofits, and making the community a much more energetic, interesting and fun place to live."
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Any local hired workers would do that too - but certainly a valid point that we need to be careful that these roles aren't just sent overseas if we make them too expensive to fill.
 
NCK9 said:
I'm ok with bringing in the 'best of the best' or 'top 0.1%' - and it seems like ending the H1B lottery and replacing it with filling the spots by ranking the highest paid positions would possibly address this (and surely create some unforeseen consequence). The big issue I have with the current H1B program is companies using it for cheap workers rather than highly skilled workers.
I live in Charlotte and BofA, Wells, Ally, etc all have hordes of entry level H1B workers doing mundane tasks like writing reports, testing software, or being a sysadmin. I'm all for bringing in the Werner Von Brauns of A.I. or chip making - superstars to LEAD areas that we want to excel in. Not just cheap labor for companies because they don't want to hire and train folks out of local community colleges or lower tier universities.
Also agree that if someone has taken up a spot in our education system it does us well to let them stay here and reap the benefits of that education - otherwise I'd question why we didn't give that spot in the university to a citizen.
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The thing you must understand is that the rest of your political party doesn't give a fuck about your experience or reality.

Watching your enlightened, paternalistic Western chauvinism clash with their blunt force trauma racism is funny as fuck tho, so continue to rock out.
 
wmheel1287 said:
American voters don't think. Period. They don't. Pretending they do is a fool's errand. We are a nation of absolute morons in most every way.
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Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
 
NCK9 said:
We need the rocket scientists helping us with things like AI and chipmaking. Not banking reports. If we still have open spots after filling the highest paid/skilled spots then, sure, bring in folks to help with the mundane tasks.

Aren't enough to fill the demand - at the current wages and working conditions.

Any local hired workers would do that too - but certainly a valid point that we need to be careful that these roles aren't just sent overseas if we make them too expensive to fill.
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We ARE bringing in the best of the best. And some of them are in Charlotte. But the big banks still need people to do the work, and there just aren't enough people locally to fill those roles.

The big banks pay foreign workers the same as local residents for the same jobs. I'm not sure what you mean by "current wages and working conditions."

One of Charlotte's greatest attributes is its geography. You can get to downtown Charlotte or the work-centers in Mallard Creek, Belmont, Steele Creek, Fort Mill, Stallings, etc. with relatively minimal commute time. And the community colleges across the region are really, really good. They all coordinate (even across the NC-SC border), and they train students for the jobs available in the market. It's also one of the fastest growing metro regions in the country. AND YET, there are not enough US-born workers to fill the insatiable demands from the businesses located here. Not just the big banks, but all the businesses that are growing and relocating here on an annual basis. If you care about Charlotte, you will support a relatively free and open immigration policy. Our economy -- our community -- depends on it. That's what's in the best interest of every person in the Charlotte metro area, whether US-born or not.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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So, trump, musk, and vivek are not elites?

You're a lawyer that lives in Buckhead, one of the priciest most affluent parts of Atlanta, you don't believe that the average Joe sees you as elite?

I believe you actually proved @wmheel1287 point about voters not thinking.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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100%. They even made a MOVIE about this more than a decade ago. How could Dems be so stupid?

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