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You know I'm so torn when it comes to the "Fuck around and find out" mentality.

But shit like this: "A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID." really does make one consider how it would be nice to have just had a government that did nothing, so we could see the results.

Maybe next pandemic our government will have learned and will just let people die and let hospitals and our medical system be overwhelmed.

Then maybe people would see that the 99.9% survival rate that some like to throw around was highly influenced by our practices. If we had simply carried on as usual, like so many claim they wanted, the survival rate would not have been as high. But some just don't seem to realize that.

It reminds me of all the people that claimed that Y2K amounted to nothing, not realizing the millions of hours that went into fixing things so that we didn't see a collapse. They seem to think that it was some kind of hoax.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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Yes because they’d rather be ruled by oligarchs. Oh wait, aren’t those people elite?
 
UNCatTech said:
You know I'm so torn when it comes to the "Fuck around and find out" mentality.

But shit like this: "A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID." really does make one consider how it would be nice to have just had a government that did nothing, so we could see the results.

Maybe next pandemic our government will have learned and will just let people die and let hospitals and our medical system be overwhelmed.

Then maybe people would see that the 99.9% survival rate that some like to throw around was highly influenced by our practices. If we had simply carried on as usual, like so many claim they wanted, the survival rate would not have been as high. But some just don't seem to realize that.

It reminds me of all the people that claimed that Y2K amounted to nothing, not realizing the millions of hours that went into fixing things so that we didn't see a collapse. They seem to think that it was some kind of hoax.
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And the survival rate wasn't the only and in some ways even the most pressing issue. I've relayed this anecdote before, but my aunt who I care for had a stroke during covid. I had to sit with her on a gurney by the nurses station for over 24 hours before they could even get her in one of those temporary rooms with a curtain because the hospital was so overwhelmed with covid cases. I can only imagine what it would have been like if we just left everything open. But as I predicted long ago on IC, like always MAGA would re-write what happened into a nothingburger.
 
Vivek is the living and breathing embodiment of the immigrant experience in the US. He's elite now but he worked for it.
Elon is a unicorn with an unbelievable work ethic who's the modern day Thomas Edison/Henry Ford. He doesn't even have a house as he routinely sleeps at his factories and businesses.
Trump is the billionaire common man who's spent time on construction sites his entire career and KNOWS HOW to talk and interact with working men and women.

As for Liberal Elites think of the way Kamala, John Kerry, and Trudeau speak and relate to ordinary "folks." I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value. These are the individuals who have been running the governments and bureaucracies of the US, Canada and Europe.
 
Ramrouser said:
Vivek is the living and breathing embodiment of the immigrant experience in the US. He's elite now but he worked for it.
Elon is a unicorn with an unbelievable work ethic who's the modern day Thomas Edison/Henry Ford. He doesn't even have a house as he routinely sleeps at his factories and businesses.
Trump is the billionaire common man who's spent time on construction sites his entire career and KNOWS HOW to talk and interact with working men and women.

As for Liberal Elites think of the way Kamala, John Kerry, and Trudeau speak and relate to ordinary "folks." I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value. These are the individuals who have been running the governments and bureaucracies of the US, Canada and Europe.
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Vivek was born in Cincinnati.

Seriously, did you know that?
 
SnoopRob said:
My hunch is that he wants something tied to him that he's confident will be carried on into perpetuity.


I am fairly certain at some point he will attempt to have his face placed on a note of currency. Probably a reissue of the 500 or 1000 dollar bill.
 
Ramrouser said:
Vivek is the living and breathing embodiment of the immigrant experience in the US. He's elite now but he worked for it.
Elon is a unicorn with an unbelievable work ethic who's the modern day Thomas Edison/Henry Ford. He doesn't even have a house as he routinely sleeps at his factories and businesses.
Trump is the billionaire common man who's spent time on construction sites his entire career and KNOWS HOW to talk and interact with working men and women.

As for Liberal Elites think of the way Kamala, John Kerry, and Trudeau speak and relate to ordinary "folks." I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value. These are the individuals who have been running the governments and bureaucracies of the US, Canada and Europe.
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You're (ostensibly, although I'm now leaning toward superific's doubts) a family lawyer in Atlanta. What possible understanding do you have of "ordinary folks"? What evidence do you have that Trump has "spent time on construction sites his entire career"? And what do you know about Elon's real property investments? Where Does Elon Musk Live? Inside the Properties of the World’s Richest Man

I literally cannot imagine how someone like you could support this administration. Unless your entire net income is dependent on someone whose career could potentially be determined by Trump's reelection, of course.
 
UNCatTech said:
You know I'm so torn when it comes to the "Fuck around and find out" mentality.

But shit like this: "A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID." really does make one consider how it would be nice to have just had a government that did nothing, so we could see the results.

Maybe next pandemic our government will have learned and will just let people die and let hospitals and our medical system be overwhelmed.

Then maybe people would see that the 99.9% survival rate that some like to throw around was highly influenced by our practices. If we had simply carried on as usual, like so many claim they wanted, the survival rate would not have been as high. But some just don't seem to realize that.

It reminds me of all the people that claimed that Y2K amounted to nothing, not realizing the millions of hours that went into fixing things so that we didn't see a collapse. They seem to think that it was some kind of hoax.
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This is another situation where two things can be true at the same time. One truth, likely based on what we saw happening in Italy early in the pandemic, is that there was overreaction on the part of federal, state and local governments. Overreaction in the form of unnecessary lockdowns in areas where it wasn't necessary. Overreaction in the form of constructing large, temporary hospital expansions with the expectation of mass hospitalizations that never came to fruition. Overreaction in the form of discharging military personnel who wouldn't get the vaccine. The big one, at least for me, was the federal government's attempt to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get vaccinated.

The other truth is that some lives were possibly saved by the measures taken. Were a lot of lives saved? Probably not because Covid ended up not being nearly as deadly as we thought, but I think social distancing, lockdowns, etc probably saved some lives that may have been lost to select hospitals being overwhelmed.

Hopefully, we learned from the mistakes of Covid and will handle the next dangerous pandemic a little better.
 
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lawtig02 said:
You're (ostensibly, although I'm now leaning toward superific's doubts) a family lawyer in Atlanta. What possible understanding do you have of "ordinary folks"? What evidence do you have that Trump has "spent time on construction sites his entire career"? And what do you know about Elon's real property investments? Where Does Elon Musk Live? Inside the Properties of the World’s Richest Man

I literally cannot imagine how someone like you could support this administration. Unless your entire net income is dependent on someone whose career could potentially be determined by Trump's reelection, of course.
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My success has never been determined by which Administration is in charge of the Federal government. That's LOSER mentality. I live in a deep blue neighborhood and City (with very often TERRIBLE Mayors); a Red(ish) State (with good Governors) and a Federal government that goes back and forth between Dem and R. You can make it work regardless who is in charge.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
She's definitely jealous. A few months ago, she was jet setting around with Donald on his private plane and accompanying him everywhere. Then, he bombed the debate and finally kicked her to the curb. Now Elon has slid into her spot as the Trump Whisperer and she's not happy about it.
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She's jealous but she's not wrong. Aside from the insinuation that he's a democrat plant.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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Ramrouser said:
My success has never been determined by which Administration is in charge of the Federal government. That's LOSER mentality. I live in a deep blue neighborhood and City (with very often TERRIBLE Mayors); a Red(ish) State (with good Governors) and a Federal government that goes back and forth between Dem and R. You can make it work regardless who is in charge.
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As long as your rainmaker is not in Leavenworth, right?
 
nycfan said:
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Interesting to see Musk suddenly caring about censoring and regulating activity on Twitter; not at all surprising that he is only interested in such censoring and regulation when it is aimed at him. It would appear that a lot of Trumpers are about to get their first lesson in what happens when you cuddle up to spoiled billionaire plutocrats as allies (and yes, that includes Trump, although that haven't gotten the message on that one yet, and probably never will).
 
lawtig02 said:
This is why MAGA is just completely unsustainable absent an Orban-like destruction of our democratic institutions. Elon and Vivek cannot coexist in a political alliance with Joe from Waco and Peggy from Tupelo. It's not just that they're completely different people with incompatible worldviews. It's that when you dig an inch beneath the surface, they absolutely HATE each other. I think Elon is extremely dangerous in the moment, but it's possible we look back on him as the first cancer cell that led to MAGA's destruction. There's no chance Trump has the brains or the cleverness to hold this together.
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The only travesty is that they held it together long enough to cross the finish line in November.
 
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