Trump / Musk (other than DOGE) Omnibus Thread

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nycfan said:
On a related note, in case you missed Ramaswamy’s critique of American culture that is somewhat at the root of this Muskovites v MAGA violence:







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Short version - “normal” America sucks and is incapable of producing kids smart enough to be computer engineers. Not saying he is entirely wrong, but a curious message when your base is MAGA.
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Trumpers hate - and I mean loathe - liberals and Democrats whenever they say anything that they believe is contemptuous of them or looks down on them, and resentment of affluent college-educated liberals as social snobs is a prime reason that MAGA exists. Yet here is a leading Trumper this year saying worse things about them than nearly any Democrat or liberal has ever done. It will certainly be interesting to see how all this plays out.
 
wmheel1287 said:
American voters don't think. Period. They don't. Pretending they do is a fool's errand. We are a nation of absolute morons in most every way.
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According to data from the U.S. Department of Education, around 54% of Americans read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level, meaning that a significant portion of the population reads at or below a 5th grade level.

Trump is likely included in that cohort which would explain his appeal to half the country.

As the great philosopher George Carlin once said, " Consider the average intelligence of Americans and then realize half are less intelligent than that"
 
sringwal said:
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MAGA civil war breaks out over American "mediocrity" culture​


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I don't think it's debatable that different cultures are different educationally. China's educational culture is much different than the US's educational culture if different than the Filipino's educational culture. Some cultures have found their niche in specific industries. Nothing wrong with that.
 
ZenMode said:
This is another situation where two things can be true at the same time. One truth, likely based on what we saw happening in Italy early in the pandemic, is that there was overreaction on the part of federal, state and local governments. Overreaction in the form of unnecessary lockdowns in areas where it wasn't necessary. Overreaction in the form of constructing large, temporary hospital expansions with the expectation of mass hospitalizations that never came to fruition. Overreaction in the form of discharging military personnel who wouldn't get the vaccine. The big one, at least for me, was the federal government's attempt to use OSHA to force 80 million Americans to get vaccinated.

The other truth is that some lives were possibly saved by the measures taken. Were a lot of lives saved? Probably not because Covid ended up not being nearly as deadly as we thought, but I think social distancing, lockdowns, etc probably saved some lives that may have been lost to select hospitals being overwhelmed.

Hopefully, we learned from the mistakes of Covid and will handle the next dangerous pandemic a little better.
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Completely disagree.

Those who claim that nothing was necessary are not simply saying there was an overreaction, they claim, with hindsight, that we didn't need to do anything. Just treat it like we do the flu.

And I disagree that the actions that were taken didn't save many. How can you say definitively that people who are alive today would not have died had they not taken the precautions? You cannot. If you would like to, just call the families of those who refused the vaccine and then as they died, they made public statements that they wish they had taken it more seriously. Talk to those families about how "some lives were possibly saved".

It's also interesting how your wording declares where you stand. Using definitive words like "overreaction" when talking about the government and "possibly saved" when talking about the measures taken.

We will never know the results of the other path. But I guarantee you had the government done nothing and 20 million had died, all of those who after the fact want to declare that nothing was necessary would have been the same people whining about the government not doing enough had this been the chosen path.
 
Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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lmao, what a crock of steaming horseshit.

progressives won in both france and the uk this past summer. and leftist da silva won in brazil in a repudiation of bolsonaro and the far right.

what we're actually seeing a lot of now is a bunch of elections swinging the way of whichever party was NOT in power for the majority of covid.
 
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Ramrouser said:
Keep thinking that way as that's a sure fire way to regain power.

The US is simply following the Western World's general rejection of governments ruled by Elites with their excessive regulations, wokeness, nanny state rule making, green agenda and open borders. You see this change throughout Western Europe and Canada. A lot of this is in reaction to the heavy handedness of these governments during COVID. Normal people of the World Unite!
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Define what it means to be “Woke.”

I want to set the parameters of how ignorant you truly are before I waste time trying to engage with you.
 
Ramrouser said:
Vivek is the living and breathing embodiment of the immigrant experience in the US. He's elite now but he worked for it.
Elon is a unicorn with an unbelievable work ethic who's the modern day Thomas Edison/Henry Ford. He doesn't even have a house as he routinely sleeps at his factories and businesses.
Trump is the billionaire common man who's spent time on construction sites his entire career and KNOWS HOW to talk and interact with working men and women.

As for Liberal Elites think of the way Kamala, John Kerry, and Trudeau speak and relate to ordinary "folks." I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value. These are the individuals who have been running the governments and bureaucracies of the US, Canada and Europe.
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How many common men have their dads give them a million dollars to start out with?

Trump is no common man. From what I've read of his interactions on construction sites, it wasn't the interactions that made the common man want to go get a beer with him after. That's part of what is so puzzling about the narrative that he's in touch with the average working class.

I'm sure the small business's that he didn't pay for their work on his grand cassino project really think of his as another common guy.

So by this statement you mean JD Vance: I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value.?

Do you really think that Elon did everything on his own? That he didn't have many of those educated elite engineers supporting him and helping to develop those companies? I guess they never created anything of value.

It's very interesting how you look down on people while claiming that's what caused the democrats to lose the election.
 
UNCatTech said:
Completely disagree.

Those who claim that nothing was necessary are not simply saying there was an overreaction, they claim, with hindsight, that we didn't need to do anything. Just treat it like we do the flu.
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I didn't say nothing was necessary or warranted, I just think there was an overreaction.
And I disagree that the actions that were taken didn't save many. How can you say definitively that people who are alive today would not have died had they not taken the precautions? You cannot. If you would like to, just call the families of those who refused the vaccine and then as they died, they made public statements that they wish they had taken it more seriously. Talk to those families about how "some lives were possibly saved".
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I'm sure there are post-mortem studies that try to quantify the impact of masks, lockdowns, closed schools, the vaccine etc on mortality rates. I haven't seen them, other than at least one about masks, so this is just my opinion based on mortality data. I do think that there was evidence, fairly early on, that Covid targeted specific demographics and was very much like the flu for anyone not in those demographics. Having had both only a couple months apart, I think the flu is worse than Covid. MUCH worse.
It's also interesting how your wording declares where you stand. Using definitive words like "overreaction" when talking about the government and "possibly saved" when talking about the measures taken.

We will never know the results of the other path. But I guarantee you had the government done nothing and 20 million had died, all of those who after the fact want to declare that nothing was necessary would have been the same people whining about the government not doing enough had this been the chosen path.
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I agree and governments are generally going to be overly cautious for that reason. Sometimes being overly cautious results in an overreaction.
 
Ramrouser said:
My success has never been determined by which Administration is in charge of the Federal government. That's LOSER mentality. I live in a deep blue neighborhood and City (with very often TERRIBLE Mayors); a Red(ish) State (with good Governors) and a Federal government that goes back and forth between Dem and R. You can make it work regardless who is in charge.
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I agree with this. As I've stated many times, it never bothered me if the candidate I voted for won or lost in the past.

I just hope that this next 4 years is the same. I just worry because of what trump said he would do and how those things would change the country like no other president before. I just hope that those here who keep telling us that he's just lying as normal and that he or musk are not going to do those things are right.

I guess we will see.
 
ZenMode said:
I didn't say nothing was necessary or warranted, I just think there was an overreaction.

I'm sure there are post-mortem studies that try to quantify the impact of masks, lockdowns, closed schools, the vaccine etc on mortality rates. I haven't seen them, other than at least one about masks, so this is just my opinion based on mortality data. I do think that there was evidence, fairly early on, that Covid targeted specific demographics and was very much like the flu for anyone not in those demographics. Having had both only a couple months apart, I think the flu is worse than Covid. MUCH worse.


I agree and governments are generally going to be overly cautious for that reason. Sometimes being overly cautious results in an overreaction.
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Overreactions tend to happen when people are…ya know…DYING.
 
ZenMode said:
I didn't say nothing was necessary or warranted, I just think there was an overreaction.

I'm sure there are post-mortem studies that try to quantify the impact of masks, lockdowns, closed schools, the vaccine etc on mortality rates. I haven't seen them, other than at least one about masks, so this is just my opinion based on mortality data. I do think that there was evidence, fairly early on, that Covid targeted specific demographics and was very much like the flu for anyone not in those demographics. Having had both only a couple months apart, I think the flu is worse than Covid. MUCH worse.


I agree and governments are generally going to be overly cautious for that reason. Sometimes being overly cautious results in an overreaction.
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Of course, in hindsight everything was an overreaction. It's easy to make that claim after the fact.

In the moment what would you have wanted our leaders to do? Should they have just told everyone to go about life while they figured it out. Just look at the hysteria in the beginning and multiply that if the average person felt that the government was doing nothing.
 
UNCatTech said:
How many common men have their dads give them a million dollars to start out with?

Trump is no common man. From what I've read of his interactions on construction sites, it wasn't the interactions that made the common man want to go get a beer with him after. That's part of what is so puzzling about the narrative that he's in touch with the average working class.

I'm sure the small business's that he didn't pay for their work on his grand cassino project really think of his as another common guy.

So by this statement you mean JD Vance: I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value.?

Do you really think that Elon did everything on his own? That he didn't have many of those educated elite engineers supporting him and helping to develop those companies? I guess they never created anything of value.

It's very interesting how you look down on people while claiming that's what caused the democrats to lose the election.
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"How many common men have their dads give them a million dollars to start out with?"

He received 413 million dollars from his dad. If he had taken that largess and simply put in a S&P 500 index fund, his net worth would be more than twice what it is today
 
UNCatTech said:
I agree with this. As I've stated many times, it never bothered me if the candidate I voted for won or lost in the past.

I just hope that this next 4 years is the same. I just worry because of what trump said he would do and how those things would change the country like no other president before. I just hope that those here who keep telling us that he's just lying as normal and that he or musk are not going to do those things are right.

I guess we will see.
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Have you ever had the rainmaker partner in your law firm indicted for felonious attempts to fraudulently push Georgia’s 2020 electoral votes to Trump, and being assured those indictments would disappear if Trump were elected in 2024? If not, you don’t have much in common with Ramrouser.
 
Ramrouser said:
Vivek is the living and breathing embodiment of the immigrant experience in the US. He's elite now but he worked for it.
Elon is a unicorn with an unbelievable work ethic who's the modern day Thomas Edison/Henry Ford. He doesn't even have a house as he routinely sleeps at his factories and businesses.
Trump is the billionaire common man who's spent time on construction sites his entire career and KNOWS HOW to talk and interact with working men and women.

As for Liberal Elites think of the way Kamala, John Kerry, and Trudeau speak and relate to ordinary "folks." I'm referring to the modern, metropolitan elite whose education and associations have opened doors to affluence and power without actually working for a living and creating anything of value. These are the individuals who have been running the governments and bureaucracies of the US, Canada and Europe.
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How much of this do you actually believe?
 
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