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its jus a matter of time before the trump musk mutual handjobs ends.....its inevitable. the only people around trump who havent turned on him are the pathetic political bootlickers like lady lindsey graham, cruz, etc.
 
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Ah, more GOP logic. ChatGPT analogized Marshall's statement here to "“Well, you can control how clean your floors are, so why bother installing fire alarms?"

Hey, Senator, ChatGPT is pretty amazing, but if it's smarter than you, take a hint buddy.
 
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Incoming Trump Team Is Questioning National Security Council Staff Over Loyalty

Nonpolitical career civil servants are reportedly being grilled over who they voted for, their political contributions and more.
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Incoming Trump Team Is Questioning National Security Council Staff Over Loyalty​

Nonpolitical career civil servants are reportedly being grilled over who they voted for, their political contributions and more.

"... At least some of these nonpolitical employees have begun packing up their belongings since being asked about their loyalty to Trump — after they had earlier been given indications that they would be asked to stay on at the NSC in the new administration, the official said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive personnel matters.

... Trump’s pick for national security adviser, Florida Rep. Mike Waltz, in recent days publicly signaled his intention to get rid of all nonpolitical appointees and career intelligence officials serving on the NSC by Inauguration Day to ensure the council is staffed with those who support Trump’s agenda.
A wholesale removal of foreign policy and national security experts from the NSC on Day 1 of the new administration could deprive Trump’s team of considerable expertise and institutional knowledge at a time when the U.S. is grappling with difficult policy challenges in Ukraine, the Mideast and beyond. Such questioning could also make new policy experts brought in to the NSC less likely to speak up about policy differences and concerns.

...The NSC staff members being questioned about their loyalty are largely subject matter experts who have been loaned to the White House by federal agencies — the State Department, FBI and CIA, for example — for temporary duty that typically lasts one to two years. If removed from the NSC, they would be returned to their home agencies.

Vetting of the civil servants began in the last week, the official said. Some of them have been questioned about their politics by Trump appointees who will serve as directors on the NSC and who had weeks earlier asked them to stick around. There are dozens of civil servants at the directorate level at the NSC who had anticipated remaining at the White House in the new administration.

A second U.S. official told the AP that he was informed weeks ago by incoming Trump administration officials that they planned on raising questions with career appointees that work at the White House, including those at the NSC, about their political leanings. The official, who was not authorized to comment publicly, however, had not yet been formally vetted. ..."

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Incoming Trump Team Is Questioning National Security Council Staff Over Loyalty

Nonpolitical career civil servants are reportedly being grilled over who they voted for, their political contributions and more.
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Interesting politics here b/c Republicans have generally pushed to cover Venezuelans -- leaving that for Trump to have to do, I guess, if the GOP wants to do.

As a purely political matter (not a matter of what is or is not right on the merits), I'm not really sure why the Biden Administration is now worried about the appearance of political motivation to hinder the incoming Administration, TBH. It's not like Biden will be running again ...
 
Anyone else do a double take when you hear Hamas officials are close to agreeing to a hostage deal? Hamas “officials”? Terrorist organizations have officials now I guess.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Anyone else do a double take when you hear Hamas officials are close to agreeing to a hostage deal? Hamas “officials”? Terrorist organizations have officials now I guess.
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1. Hamas is still the governmental authority in Gaza.
2. Yes, terrorist organizations have "officials." The KKK had a grand wizard, did it not? It still does. If you want to get the KKK's view on something, who do you call? Probably the officials. When the KKK was founded in 1868, its first grand wizard, Forrest, gave an interview to a newspaper on behalf of the KKK.

An official is just a word for the person calling the shots. Any organization more than a few people in size has them.

Y'all have to stop the basic confusion of "what is" and "what ought to be." I used to consider the ability to recognize and respect that distinction to be one of the bare minimum requirements of being considered "educated." I've moved off that stance. Still, do better.
 
nycfan said:
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I was thinking about this and how this is simply Putin sowing discord in the US. I believe he does that a lot.

In one sense, I feel responsible when I react to these things. That is what Putin wants. He wants us fighting over whether Trump and Putin have some sort of arrangement, whether Trump is compromised, etc.

But ultimately this is all on Trump. By never standing up to Putin, he opens the door for all of this.

If Trump isn't compromised, I simply don't understand why he doesn't tell Putin to f' off when Putin says things like that. After all, it doesn't present Trump in a good light. But, for whatever reason Trump never does that. It might just be that Trump is so enamored with Putin's flattery. The only thing we know for sure is that Putin plays Trump like a fiddle.

(Also note that I am operating under the assumption that Russian state TV does in fact speak for Trump.)
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I was thinking about this and how this is simply Putin sowing discord in the US. I believe he does that a lot.

In one sense, I feel responsible when I react to these things. That is what Putin wants. He wants us fighting over whether Trump and Putin have some sort of arrangement, whether Trump is compromised, etc.

But ultimately this is all on Trump. By never standing up to Putin, he opens the door for all of this.

If Trump isn't compromised, I simply don't understand why he doesn't tell Putin to f' off when Putin says things like that. After all, it doesn't present Trump in a good light. But, for whatever reason Trump never does that. It might just be that Trump is so enamored with Putin's flattery. The only thing we know for sure is that Putin plays Trump like a fiddle.

(Also note that I am operating under the assumption that Russian state TV does in fact speak for Trump.)
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We had an opportunity to ignore Trump. It was by electing Kamala as the next president. Now that the plurality of Americans have decided to make him the most powerful person in the world, we can't ignore him. That's what the callatoroys cant understand. You can apologize for Trump all you want. But the man is the commander in chief of the most powerful army in human history, and he's the putative leader of the free world. If you excuse him by saying he won't do what he's promised to do, or by chalking him up as an "exaggerator," that's not our issue. You idiots put him in this position. Don't blame us when we use his words against you.
 
Zoo_View said:
So, Trump’s “envoy” is in Israel while Trump is likely calling Bibi and pushing ideas that run counter to American policy.
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There really isn't a current American policy since there isn't a current American president. I say that because joe has checked out and really hasn't been there for some time. Do you really think israel is going to spend any more time dealing with the biden administration? Would you?
 
lawtig02 said:
We had an opportunity to ignore Trump. It was by electing Kamala as the next president. Now that the plurality of Americans have decided to make him the most powerful person in the world, we can't ignore him. That's what the callatoroys cant understand. You can apologize for Trump all you want. But the man is the commander in chief of the most powerful army in human history, and he's the putative leader of the free world. If you excuse him by saying he won't do what he's promised to do, or by chalking him up as an "exaggerator," that's not our issue. You idiots put him in this position. Don't blame us when we use his words against you.
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You act as if you don't have 4 years of history to go by to show how he will use the military. trump hasn't shown any tendency to use the military in an aggressive manner.
 
Callatoroy said:
You act as if you don't have 4 years of history to go by to show how he will use the military. trump hasn't shown any tendency to use the military in an aggressive manner.
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If you can't see the difference between what Trump was saying in 2016 and what he's saying today, that's on you. I know conservatives have sworn off the news sources that report actual facts, but it might be worth keeping an eye on them every now and then.
 
lawtig02 said:
The media has become incapacitated by two things: (1) its takeover by billionaires, many of whom are right-leaning to begin, and all of whom have a strong interest in currying favor with the Trump regime, and (2) its inability to determine how to respond to Trump's incessant bluster. On the second one, I'm not at all apologizing for them. It's their job to figure this out. But I do have some sympathy. When he says shit like this about Canada and Greenland, do you take him seriously? Do you take it as a joke? Do you attribute it to trolling? Is it best to just ignore it?

Trump has dumbed down the level of our political discourse to such a level that intelligent people, which includes most reporters, are simply unable to respond effectively. It's like trying to reason with a toddler having a tantrum because his binky is in the wash. Again, I'm not giving the press a pass. They have to figure this out. But godalmighty I just can't get past the absolute idiocy of the people who voted for this scumbag. What were you idiots thinking?
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Most likely thinking along the lines of

“So Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong.”

AND
""What can be, unburdened by what has been"
 
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