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not a cabinet post but...Trump's press secretary seems to fit right in:sneaky:

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Trump press secretary hid over $300k in debt tied to 'inappropriate donations': report

Before she even held his first official White House press conference, Donald Trump's latest press secretary is facing questions after a last-minute FEC filing on Thursday reportedly showed she had been hiding debt related to her failed run for a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in...
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ZenMode said:
Really? You think it's THAT unreasonable to say that some of the uses of BRC appear to be clear abuses of the original intention? :rolleyes:

You guys are just a tad dogmatic, IMO.
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I am dogmatic about this the same way I am dogmatic that, in a Euclidean geometry, two parallel lines never intersect. Or that 1+1 = 2 and it never equals three.

The drafters of the 14th extensively debated this exact question. The debate was robust, and it went on for many days, and they addressed all these issues. It was an intentional choice to make birthright citizenship available to everyone on US land. The exceptions are laid out specifically: an invading army, and diplomats. I have read this history. I do not know it, because that's very far from my areas of expertise. But you can easily find information on it. There is no shortage of materials on the internet.

Two things you are missing (among others, perhaps):

1. The drafters of the 14th considered immigration to be a good thing. And even better than immigration was new citizens born on our soil. Because the drafters understood that immigration was the country's greatest strength. It is what made America into the juggernaut of the 20th century. And plenty of people on the right understand this. They bemoan low birth rates, and the aging population . . . and then they turn around and say, "nah, THESE babies, we don't want." Hmm.

2. There are also interactions with other countries that have birthright citizenship. I believe, at the time, Mexico had birthright citizenship available only to persons born in Mexico (this has since changed; and note that I am no historian of Mexico so nobody should rely on my recollection here -- but the general point remains valid). So let's say a person leaves Mexico and comes to the United States (the borders were pretty fluid back then, and they weren't necessarily clearly demarcated), and has a baby. If that baby isn't a citizen of the US, and not a citizen of Mexico, then who? Is the baby a citizen of nowhere?

The Supreme Court has long deemed the lack of nationality among the worst things that can happen to a person. Right or wrong, that's how it has been viewed. Bet you didn't know that exile is the only punishment that the Supreme Court has held to be categorically a violation of the 8th. You can be put to death for crimes; you can be imprisoned; but you can't lose your citizenship. That's cruel and unusual.

So when you are asking, "did they mean to create this 'abuse'"? the answer is unambiguously yes. They did mean to it. They did not see it as an abuse. Nobody important in US history saw it as an abuse (not that I'm aware of) until very recently, when the white folks in the South decided to take their fight against non-white people to the browns as well as the blacks.

And that's all there is to say about this topic. There's a reason why the Reagan appointed judge was so harsh toward the government lawyers. Why he said it was the clearest legal issue he had to adjudicate in 40 years on the bench. Because this law is unusually settled. There are a few questions of law more settled, but not many. This one is foundational.
 
This is fun! Hope the Pubs here appreciate the humor of having armed federal agents show up at their kids' schools! It's like show-and-tell, but with assault rifles, right?


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., ICE agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” CPS Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”
 
lawtig02 said:
This is fun! Hope the Pubs here appreciate the humor of having armed federal agents show up at their kids' schools! It's like show-and-tell, but with assault rifles, right?


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., ICE agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” CPS Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”
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Countdown to the principal or a Chicago official being charged with obstruction…???
 


As an aside, had Biden done this the resistance from Red State cops would be overwhelmingly negative — you won’t be federalizing my state police!!! And Biden would have gotten massive pushback from his left flank, as well.

But the same Red State cops will probably be thrilled to be deputized by Trump to carry out federal enforcement. And a lot of Blue State/Blue City LEO leadership will decline or resist.

Will be intro see how NYPD responds.
 
Propaganda — these folks were apparently already in ICE custody being processed for deportation, so sort of easy pickings for a photo op.

 
nycfan said:
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I honestly don't know why anyone is still "shocked" by anything Trump or the people around him do. By this point no one anywhere should be surprised or shocked by anything he does, unless it involves humility, decency, modesty, intelligence, or other character traits he clearly does not possess. Just more evidence that a great many people - and not all of them Trumpers - simply continue to refuse to believe that Trump 2.0 will actually do what they said they're going to do, or that part of their goal is to just burn the whole system down.
 
lawtig02 said:
This is fun! Hope the Pubs here appreciate the humor of having armed federal agents show up at their kids' schools! It's like show-and-tell, but with assault rifles, right?


U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents attempted entry into a Chicago elementary school Friday morning, but were not allowed inside or permitted to speak to anyone inside, Chicago Public Schools officials said.

Around 11:15 a.m., ICE agents attempted to enter Hamline Elementary School.

“School staff followed CPS established protocols,” CPS Chief Education Officer Bogdana Chkoumbova said in a news conference Friday. “They kept ICE agents outside of the school and contacted CPS law department and CPS Office of Safety and Security for further guidance. The ICE agents were not allowed into the school and were not permitted to speak to any students or staff members.”
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So, the hardened criminals they said they were going after first are in an ……..Checks notes ………..
Elementary school????
 
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