Welcome to our community

Be apart of something great, join today!

Trump / Musk (other than DOGE)

  • Thread starter Thread starter nycfan
  • Start date Start date
  • Replies: 12K
  • Views: 619K
  • Politics 
Just echoes what Ive always said.

The drug problem in the US starts with the ravenous demand for drugs from US consumers.
Yeah. The best thing we could do is legalize pretty much everything. There'll be a human cos without doubt. But, since that would let you control for strength and purity, it would likely be less that the current state of affairs where much of the damage is done by drugs cut with more dangerous ones or sold as something they are not. It would go a long way to cutting the legs out from under the cartels and save a tremendous amount on enforcement. That could be used, along with the taxes from the legal drugs for better drug education and rehabilitation.

That won't help everybody. There are some whose lives just drive them into dangerous behavior. I actually was one for a while and Stephen Stills was right. "If you can't be with the one you love..."
 


"Effective management of nearly 3 million military and civilian personnel, an annual budget of nearly $1 trillion, and alliances and partnerships around the world is a daily test with staggering consequences for the security of the American people and our global interests.

"Mr. Hegseth has failed, as yet, to demonstrate that he will pass this test. But as he assumes office, the consequences of failure are as high as they have ever been."

Occasionally Moscow Mitch stumbles into the truth.
 
Just adding more to the mountain of evidence that it's NOT a cult.
Yep. Each member of the cult is falling over themselves trying to outdo the others in proving their fealty to Dear Leader. Any bets on how long it will be before a Congressional Republican proposes to rename Washington, DC as Trump City? And then another can propose to build a giant statue taller than the Washington Monument in the likeness of Dear Leader. I'm sure that our new plutocrat overlords like Musk and Bezos will gladly pay to build it.
 
This is so beyond the absurd it’s charting new territory. Can’t begin to wrap my mind around it. Doesn’t seem real. Just 🤬🤬🤬
Between the end of the 2020 election and some time within the past two years, the prospect of Trump being re-elected didn’t seem real to me. It seemed that we as a country (for the most part) had learned a hard lesson with Trump. But then it started to seem real only because it dawned on me how uninformed, misinformed, disinformed, and sometimes willfully ignorant and obtuse so many people are. But it was still beyond absurd and I couldn’t begin to wrap my head around it.
 
I am dogmatic about this the same way I am dogmatic that, in a Euclidean geometry, two parallel lines never intersect. Or that 1+1 = 2 and it never equals three.

The drafters of the 14th extensively debated this exact question. The debate was robust, and it went on for many days, and they addressed all these issues. It was an intentional choice to make birthright citizenship available to everyone on US land. The exceptions are laid out specifically: an invading army, and diplomats. I have read this history. I do not know it, because that's very far from my areas of expertise. But you can easily find information on it. There is no shortage of materials on the internet.

Two things you are missing (among others, perhaps):

1. The drafters of the 14th considered immigration to be a good thing. And even better than immigration was new citizens born on our soil. Because the drafters understood that immigration was the country's greatest strength. It is what made America into the juggernaut of the 20th century. And plenty of people on the right understand this. They bemoan low birth rates, and the aging population . . . and then they turn around and say, "nah, THESE babies, we don't want." Hmm.

2. There are also interactions with other countries that have birthright citizenship. I believe, at the time, Mexico had birthright citizenship available only to persons born in Mexico (this has since changed; and note that I am no historian of Mexico so nobody should rely on my recollection here -- but the general point remains valid). So let's say a person leaves Mexico and comes to the United States (the borders were pretty fluid back then, and they weren't necessarily clearly demarcated), and has a baby. If that baby isn't a citizen of the US, and not a citizen of Mexico, then who? Is the baby a citizen of nowhere?

The Supreme Court has long deemed the lack of nationality among the worst things that can happen to a person. Right or wrong, that's how it has been viewed. Bet you didn't know that exile is the only punishment that the Supreme Court has held to be categorically a violation of the 8th. You can be put to death for crimes; you can be imprisoned; but you can't lose your citizenship. That's cruel and unusual.

So when you are asking, "did they mean to create this 'abuse'"? the answer is unambiguously yes. They did mean to it. They did not see it as an abuse. Nobody important in US history saw it as an abuse (not that I'm aware of) until very recently, when the white folks in the South decided to take their fight against non-white people to the browns as well as the blacks.

And that's all there is to say about this topic. There's a reason why the Reagan appointed judge was so harsh toward the government lawyers. Why he said it was the clearest legal issue he had to adjudicate in 40 years on the bench. Because this law is unusually settled. There are a few questions of law more settled, but not many. This one is foundational.
There seems to be confusion here. Your response sounds like you believe I want to get rid of birthright citizenship completely. I definitely don't.

While I realize that the drafters of the 14th amendment discussed and debated most every aspect that they could, it's just not possible for them to be able to see into the future. They don't know what they don't know. There are just simply things that they could not have foreseen. For example, the ease with which we are able to travel from continent to continent. If it took weeks or months to get here, there would be no concern about pregnant women coming here to give birth. It would be too time consuming and probably too dangerous. They probably also couldn't have foreseen our current relationship with Mexico, Central and South America which compels pregnant women to risk their lives to get a few hundred yards into the US to have a child in the middle of the desert.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top