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Mulberry Heel said:
I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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Oh that’s hilarious. Plenty of farms have tried getting non-migrant labor and paying decent wages, but nobody wants to do it.

I remember one particular case where they had lined up a bunch of US workers to come pick crops for like $15 an hour. Only a couple of people who were hired showed up, and of those only one came back the next day, but he didn’t come back again after that.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
No shit. This is what many people have been saying for years and years will happen if you eliminate immigrant labor nationwide. And while it has been brought up here many times, it's worth repeating that the GOP-controlled Alabama state government already tried doing this in 2010 and it was such a disaster that the state's farmers - many of whom were Republicans - ended up begging the state government to back off, as their crops were literally rotting in the fields and they couldn't find enough workers to pick them. I believe another state ended up using prison labor to pick the crops, but that didn't come close to solving the problem either. I've already seen posts from Trumpers about this claiming that there will be more than enough US workers who will be willing to replace immigrants doing this. I think they're deluded and are going to be very sadly mistaken.
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OGtruthhurts is absolutely convinced Americans will be lining up for these jobs once they become available.
 
Calheel said:
Does RFK Jr strike you as the type of person who likes to "keep his head down?"

I put the over/under at 3 Scaramucis.
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No, but he's also someone who wants to have his views legitimated. Without Trump, he's just a fringe guy again with no friends because the right doesn't trust him and the left now fucking hates him (if we didn't already).

Maybe Ben Carson was the wrong example. I just meant someone who lasted a while because of a complete lack of interest in doing anything. RFK Jr. strikes me as all talk, all hat and no cattle. Trump won't mind if he's just up there ranting about vaccines. RFK won't mind if he's given that platform.

I mean, it certainly wouldn't surprise me if you're right -- and of course, this is all contingent on him being confirmed, which is very far from given -- but I'm not sure the relationship is quite as doomed, so to speak.
 
superrific said:
No, but he's also someone who wants to have his views legitimated. Without Trump, he's just a fringe guy again with no friends because the right doesn't trust him and the left now fucking hates him (if we didn't already).

Maybe Ben Carson was the wrong example. I just meant someone who lasted a while because of a complete lack of interest in doing anything. RFK Jr. strikes me as all talk, all hat and no cattle. Trump won't mind if he's just up there ranting about vaccines. RFK won't mind if he's given that platform.

I mean, it certainly wouldn't surprise me if you're right -- and of course, this is all contingent on him being confirmed, which is very far from given -- but I'm not sure the relationship is quite as doomed, so to speak.
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Junior Kennedy is also unlikely to do the one thing Trump can’t allow or forgive - ask for or demand money. That was Rudy’s unforgivable error. He voiced that he wanted/wants his legal bills paid and that he wanted Trump to actually pay the legal fees that Rudy submitted for payment.

Silly Rudy…..the grift belongs to Trump.
 
mpaer said:
I know two guys that worked in meat packing plants
Cause they were prisoners in the NC Correctional system You have gloves-but your arms are stuck in 35 degree water as you cut and slice constantly.I seriously think they build on at least 1 carpel tunnel surgey per employee every couple years
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I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
 
Callatoroy said:
I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
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Indentured servitude, if you will?
 
Callatoroy said:
I'm a big fan of using prison labor to pick crops, meat packing, etc. Paying them the going rate, taking the money and putting it in a fund to support their burden to the state, pay restitution where applicable, and investing it for them so that when they get out they actually have something to begin a new life with rather than giving them $200 and a bus ticket (if that type of thing is done anymore)
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I picture the grift and graft shown in Shawshank Redemption as exemplified by the warden. Or, worse, the road, lumber, farm, and mining crews, particularly in the South, between the Civil War and WWII.
 
Zoo_View said:
I picture the grift and graft shown in Shawshank Redemption as exemplified by the warden. Or, worse, the road, lumber, farm, and mining crews, particularly in the South, between the Civil War and WWII.
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Now, surely you're not suggesting that the state might abuse its power if allowed to profit from imprisoning Americans?

It's quite something, really. The folks like Calla who claim to really have it out for China are the ones who favor the policies of the Chinese government and want to pursue them here.
 
superrific said:
Of course you are. You're also oblivious to the implications of that.
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LOL, you are nothing if not so damn predictable. You don't know what anyone knows on here. I do have experience in working with a customer who, in conjunction with that state's prison system operates a portion of their business using prison labor. The prisoners are paid exactly what the non-prisoners are paid. The prisoner's wages are handled exactly as I stated. The competition to get those jobs within the prison is pretty high. The customer says that they hardly ever experience people not showing up for work because the alternative is to sit in a cell. They don't have productivity issues because there are incentives built into the system so that working harder yields higher pay. And when they leave prison they actually have a marketable skill. The recidivism rate from that prison was 13% vs. the mid 40% range for the state's other prisons.
 
superrific said:
I suspect RFK will have a career like Ben Carson. If he keeps his head down and talks primarily to the anti-vaxx communities, he'll be fine.
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The problem, based on what I've read about him, is that like Trump he has a huge ego and desire for the spotlight, and so I don't think he will keep his head down. And Trump hates competition for the spotlight. At any rate we'll find out soon enough.
 
nycfan said:
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Trump and Mexican president say they had a good call – though no sign of backing down on tariff pledge | CNN Politics

President-elect Donald Trump said Wednesday that he had a “productive conversation” with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, their first talks since Trump announced tariffs against the US’ southern neighbor.
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Mexico’s president denies Trump’s claim that she agreed to shut down the US-Mexico border​


“Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum denied proposing to US President-elect Donald Trump that Mexico will close its border with the United States as he claimed in a post on Truth Social.

“Everyone has their own way of communicating, but I can assure you, I give you the certainty that we would never — and we would be incapable of it — propose that we would close the border,” Sheinbaum said during her regular morning news conference Thursday.

“It has never been our approach and of course we don’t agree with that.”

…In her own statement about the conversation, Sheinbaum said she shared Mexico’s immigration strategy with the president-elect and stressed that her country’s “position is not to close borders.”

“In our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights,” Sheinbaum said Wednesday on X. Thanks to this, migrants and caravans are assisted before they arrive at the border. We reiterate that Mexico’s position is not to close borders but to build bridges between governments and between peoples.”

Sheinbaum had previously said that Mexico has worked with the Biden administration to address the flow of migrants through the country, leading to a 75% reduction in US border crossings over the past year.

And after the call with Trump on Wednesday, she did not outline any new policies she planned to put in place in order to avoid tariffs, focusing instead on how her country had already acted to address the crisis. …”

 
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