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Anyone else do a double take when you hear Hamas officials are close to agreeing to a hostage deal? Hamas “officials”? Terrorist organizations have officials now I guess.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Anyone else do a double take when you hear Hamas officials are close to agreeing to a hostage deal? Hamas “officials”? Terrorist organizations have officials now I guess.
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1. Hamas is still the governmental authority in Gaza.
2. Yes, terrorist organizations have "officials." The KKK had a grand wizard, did it not? It still does. If you want to get the KKK's view on something, who do you call? Probably the officials. When the KKK was founded in 1868, its first grand wizard, Forrest, gave an interview to a newspaper on behalf of the KKK.

An official is just a word for the person calling the shots. Any organization more than a few people in size has them.

Y'all have to stop the basic confusion of "what is" and "what ought to be." I used to consider the ability to recognize and respect that distinction to be one of the bare minimum requirements of being considered "educated." I've moved off that stance. Still, do better.
 
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I was thinking about this and how this is simply Putin sowing discord in the US. I believe he does that a lot.

In one sense, I feel responsible when I react to these things. That is what Putin wants. He wants us fighting over whether Trump and Putin have some sort of arrangement, whether Trump is compromised, etc.

But ultimately this is all on Trump. By never standing up to Putin, he opens the door for all of this.

If Trump isn't compromised, I simply don't understand why he doesn't tell Putin to f' off when Putin says things like that. After all, it doesn't present Trump in a good light. But, for whatever reason Trump never does that. It might just be that Trump is so enamored with Putin's flattery. The only thing we know for sure is that Putin plays Trump like a fiddle.

(Also note that I am operating under the assumption that Russian state TV does in fact speak for Trump.)
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I was thinking about this and how this is simply Putin sowing discord in the US. I believe he does that a lot.

In one sense, I feel responsible when I react to these things. That is what Putin wants. He wants us fighting over whether Trump and Putin have some sort of arrangement, whether Trump is compromised, etc.

But ultimately this is all on Trump. By never standing up to Putin, he opens the door for all of this.

If Trump isn't compromised, I simply don't understand why he doesn't tell Putin to f' off when Putin says things like that. After all, it doesn't present Trump in a good light. But, for whatever reason Trump never does that. It might just be that Trump is so enamored with Putin's flattery. The only thing we know for sure is that Putin plays Trump like a fiddle.

(Also note that I am operating under the assumption that Russian state TV does in fact speak for Trump.)
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We had an opportunity to ignore Trump. It was by electing Kamala as the next president. Now that the plurality of Americans have decided to make him the most powerful person in the world, we can't ignore him. That's what the callatoroys cant understand. You can apologize for Trump all you want. But the man is the commander in chief of the most powerful army in human history, and he's the putative leader of the free world. If you excuse him by saying he won't do what he's promised to do, or by chalking him up as an "exaggerator," that's not our issue. You idiots put him in this position. Don't blame us when we use his words against you.
 
Zoo_View said:
So, Trump’s “envoy” is in Israel while Trump is likely calling Bibi and pushing ideas that run counter to American policy.
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There really isn't a current American policy since there isn't a current American president. I say that because joe has checked out and really hasn't been there for some time. Do you really think israel is going to spend any more time dealing with the biden administration? Would you?
 
lawtig02 said:
We had an opportunity to ignore Trump. It was by electing Kamala as the next president. Now that the plurality of Americans have decided to make him the most powerful person in the world, we can't ignore him. That's what the callatoroys cant understand. You can apologize for Trump all you want. But the man is the commander in chief of the most powerful army in human history, and he's the putative leader of the free world. If you excuse him by saying he won't do what he's promised to do, or by chalking him up as an "exaggerator," that's not our issue. You idiots put him in this position. Don't blame us when we use his words against you.
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You act as if you don't have 4 years of history to go by to show how he will use the military. trump hasn't shown any tendency to use the military in an aggressive manner.
 
Callatoroy said:
You act as if you don't have 4 years of history to go by to show how he will use the military. trump hasn't shown any tendency to use the military in an aggressive manner.
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If you can't see the difference between what Trump was saying in 2016 and what he's saying today, that's on you. I know conservatives have sworn off the news sources that report actual facts, but it might be worth keeping an eye on them every now and then.
 
lawtig02 said:
The media has become incapacitated by two things: (1) its takeover by billionaires, many of whom are right-leaning to begin, and all of whom have a strong interest in currying favor with the Trump regime, and (2) its inability to determine how to respond to Trump's incessant bluster. On the second one, I'm not at all apologizing for them. It's their job to figure this out. But I do have some sympathy. When he says shit like this about Canada and Greenland, do you take him seriously? Do you take it as a joke? Do you attribute it to trolling? Is it best to just ignore it?

Trump has dumbed down the level of our political discourse to such a level that intelligent people, which includes most reporters, are simply unable to respond effectively. It's like trying to reason with a toddler having a tantrum because his binky is in the wash. Again, I'm not giving the press a pass. They have to figure this out. But godalmighty I just can't get past the absolute idiocy of the people who voted for this scumbag. What were you idiots thinking?
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Most likely thinking along the lines of

“So Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong.”

AND
""What can be, unburdened by what has been"
 
CarolinaFever said:
And you support fascism, racism, bigotry, Christian nationalism, a crook, a fraud, a convicted felon, a guy who bragged about sexually assaulting women, a guy who tried to get Russia to interfere in an election for him, who tried to steal an election, and then incited an attempted insurrection when that didn't work.
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lawtig02 said:
If you can't see the difference between what Trump was saying in 2016 and what he's saying today, that's on you. I know conservatives have sworn off the news sources that report actual facts, but it might be worth keeping an eye on them every now and then.
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This is where you and I have such a disconnect. How in the world you can utter this: "I know conservatives have sworn off the news sources that report actual facts, but it might be worth keeping an eye on them every now and then." with a straight face or not embarrassed to say it is beyond me given how utterly corrupt / misleading / and full of lies the media you consume has been over the last several years. Its blatant hypocrisy. What's worse, you don't even care that you have been misled or lied to. Its funny to see libs brag about their media and hold it up as some beacon of light while story after story comes out about their obvious intent to mislead and suppress information. Here's the truth. Just like everything else, you have lost any semblance of higher ground in your political and media universe. Now you guys actually sound dumb when saying it.
 
lawtig02 said:
We had an opportunity to ignore Trump. It was by electing Kamala as the next president. Now that the plurality of Americans have decided to make him the most powerful person in the world, we can't ignore him. That's what the callatoroys cant understand. You can apologize for Trump all you want. But the man is the commander in chief of the most powerful army in human history, and he's the putative leader of the free world. If you excuse him by saying he won't do what he's promised to do, or by chalking him up as an "exaggerator," that's not our issue. You idiots put him in this position. Don't blame us when we use his words against you.
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I agree 100% but that is a bit different than what I was referring to. I am wondering if we are playing into Putin’s hands when we react to Putin making statements that make it appear that Trump and Putin are in collusion.

I would never think twice about criticizing the things that Trump himself says or does.

I say that because sometimes I think Putin or his media does intentionally try to get us to fight. But, again, Trump does nothing to stop it.
 
Callatoroy said:
This is where you and I have such a disconnect. How in the world you can utter this: "I know conservatives have sworn off the news sources that report actual facts, but it might be worth keeping an eye on them every now and then." with a straight face or not embarrassed to say it is beyond me given how utterly corrupt / misleading / and full of lies the media you consume has been over the last several years. Its blatant hypocrisy. What's worse, you don't even care that you have been misled or lied to. Its funny to see libs brag about their media and hold it up as some beacon of light while story after story comes out about their obvious intent to mislead and suppress information. Here's the truth. Just like everything else, you have lost any semblance of higher ground in your political and media universe. Now you guys actually sound dumb when saying it.
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Sigh. You're going to feel like such an idiot 30 years from now when you read the history of this era. You'll be wondering how you could have possibly been such a dumbass. Or, like current Lost Causers, you'll still be finding ways to make excuses for it.
 
lawtig02 said:
Sigh. You're going to feel like such an idiot 30 years from now when you read the history of this era. You'll be wondering how you could have possibly been such a dumbass. Or, like current Lost Causers, you'll still be finding ways to make excuses for it.
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I don't think Calla makes it to 90, or has that kind of capacity for reflection and growth.

I'm going to guess B.
 
p5mmr9 said:
www.huffpost.com

Incoming Trump Team Is Questioning National Security Council Staff Over Loyalty

Nonpolitical career civil servants are reportedly being grilled over who they voted for, their political contributions and more.
www.huffpost.com www.huffpost.com

This seems like a really bad idea.
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It's terrible for our national security and the integrity of the civil service. But BRING. IT. ON. This is what callatoroy has been promising us will never happen, Trump's promises be damned. Let's see what it looks like when our government loses the people who keep it functioning. MAGA broke it. Let's see if they can buy it.
 
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lawtig02 said:
Sigh. You're going to feel like such an idiot 30 years from now when you read the history of this era. You'll be wondering how you could have possibly been such a dumbass. Or, like current Lost Causers, you'll still be finding ways to make excuses for it.
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Who's writing that history? If I'm wrong I have absolutely no trouble admitting it.
 
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