Trump Rallies & Interviews Catch-All | Trump - “just stop talking about that”

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I will say that your story is more fun...kinda like a "based on real events" movie version.

I wouldn't say that evangelicals are Jews for Jesus, though. One, that's an insulting comparison for actual Jews. Two, that gives your average evangelical way too much credit for knowing the Bible.
It's not meant to be insulting to Jews. It's not different than "Lady G" -- i.e. it's the hypocrisy and ignorance being targeted, as opposed to the belief.

What's amusing isn't that someone could live their lives as guided by the Old Testament. It's that a religion fundamentally based on the divinity of an apostate Jew whose primary message was that the old Jewish way of thinking was obsolete, is now hyper focused on that Jewish way of thinking because the words of the ostensible savior no long suit them.
 
Their role as God's current Chosen People is completely self assigned . Jesus didn't ever say that. Nor did anyone else of any standing.
 

“Jeffrey Goldberg has pushed back against the string of denials that poured in after he reported in The Atlantic that Donald Trump allegedly raged at a slain U.S. soldier’s funeral bill by saying, “It doesn’t cost 60,000 bucks to bury a f---ing Mexican.”

… Goldberg’s bombshell report, which cited “contemporaneous notes” and people inside the White House meeting where Trump allegedly made the remark, has been called false by Trump’s then-chief of staff, Mark Meadows, and the chief of staff to his secretary of defense, Kash Patel.

A lawyer for the Guillén family and the soldier’s sister, Mayra Guillén, have also spoken out to assert that Trump never made such a brash comment.

… “I have sources who are sitting in that meeting,” he said. “I have contemporaneous notes taken by participants in that meeting that described exactly what I described in the story. We’ve seen this pattern again and again and again. They deny, deny, deny, and then it comes out as true.”

Goldberg equated the senior officials’ denials to a previously damning report he penned, in which he alleged in 2020 that Trump disparaged killed-in-action troops by calling them “suckers” and “losers.” That report, which the MAGA world quickly shot down as false, was later confirmed by John Kelly, a former chief of staff to Trump.

… A statement from the Guillén family’s lawyer, Natalie Khawam, attacked Goldberg by name. She claimed that Goldberg had misrepresented their conversation in his article and that he’d printed a lie, but she stopped short of saying what exactly he’d allegedly lied about.

… While each denial asserted that Trump never uttered the words “f---ing Mexican” while speaking about Guillén, none refuted that Trump didn’t cover funeral costs like he’d promised to do when the Guillén family visited the White House.“
 


This ridiculous Trump claim drives me insane for some reason.

I think it's because it's the pure distillation of Trump. The man doesn't know McKinley from a hole in his ass. Here was his train of thought:

1. I got shot by my own supporter
2. I desperately need this to reflect well on me somehow
3. I've got it -- only "significant presidents get shot" (he said that -- not sure about what word he used for significant but that's the idea)
4. Trump to aide: give me a list of the presidents who were shot.
5. Who the fuck is James Garfield, or William McKinley?
6. McKinley had to have been a great president. He was the greatest. I'm saying that because I desperately need it to be true that only great presidents get shot.
 

"Tell me, my Republican friends, exactly what part of being a Hitler fanboy is a part of conservatism? Tell me why you’re willing to vote for a man who praises dictators, autocrats, and fiends? Is it the imaginary communists lurking under your bed?

What part of conservative governance includes a vengeful president who promises military retribution against his political opponents?

How and when does reality intrude upon your comfy media bubble in your schema? Do you ever wonder to yourself when you substituted character and conservatism for fascism and fury?

Of elected Republicans, I expect absolutely nothing.

As a group, you are the most craven and morally bankrupt men and women to ever serve in elected positions. So many of you have declared in advance your outright willingness to support overturning both the law and the will of the American people to serve the fascist Trump that in a just world, you wouldn’t be in office: you would be horse-whipped in the streets.

I wouldn't say I like the loons and fanatics who believe in Trump with a messianic fervor, but they’re just downstream political waste from the cloaca of Trump’s sewer. The ones who deserve absolute contempt are the play-acting GOP clowns who mock him behind closed doors and whisper to reporters of their cleverness in the pretense of loyalty to him. (Looking at you, Mitch.)

For the cadre of generals, willing to whisper behind closed doors, speak off the record, and without putting yourselves in the line of political fire, your service to the Constitution didn’t end when you retired."
 

"Tell me, my Republican friends, exactly what part of being a Hitler fanboy is a part of conservatism? Tell me why you’re willing to vote for a man who praises dictators, autocrats, and fiends? Is it the imaginary communists lurking under your bed?

What part of conservative governance includes a vengeful president who promises military retribution against his political opponents?

How and when does reality intrude upon your comfy media bubble in your schema? Do you ever wonder to yourself when you substituted character and conservatism for fascism and fury?

Of elected Republicans, I expect absolutely nothing.

As a group, you are the most craven and morally bankrupt men and women to ever serve in elected positions. So many of you have declared in advance your outright willingness to support overturning both the law and the will of the American people to serve the fascist Trump that in a just world, you wouldn’t be in office: you would be horse-whipped in the streets.

I wouldn't say I like the loons and fanatics who believe in Trump with a messianic fervor, but they’re just downstream political waste from the cloaca of Trump’s sewer. The ones who deserve absolute contempt are the play-acting GOP clowns who mock him behind closed doors and whisper to reporters of their cleverness in the pretense of loyalty to him. (Looking at you, Mitch.)

For the cadre of generals, willing to whisper behind closed doors, speak off the record, and without putting yourselves in the line of political fire, your service to the Constitution didn’t end when you retired."
Counterpoint: it's not surprising at all that conservatives are attracted to authoritarians.
 
Counterpoint: it's not surprising at all that conservatives are attracted to authoritarians.
I disagree. It is indeed very surprising to me that ANY American would be attracted to authoritarians, but *especially* the Americans for whom "THE MILITARY CONSTITUTION AMERICAN FLAG BALD EAGLE GO AMERICA GO RED WHITE AND BLUE GOD BLESS THE USA FUCK THE NAZIS AMERICA FUCK YEAH!" is their entire identity. You would think that the folks who "SUPPORT THE TROOPS GET BEHIND THEM OR GET IN FRONT OF THEM YOU AMERICA HATING TRAITOR" would not be attracted to the very type of fascist, authoritarian governments that the United States of America spilled countless drops of blood and treasure to defeat and destroy.
 
Can’t you see how that kind of blind patriotism would lead to some authoritarian or even fascistic tendencies?
Yeah, I guess the more I think about it, I can. What I initially meant was that even if I, as a former conservative and former Trump voter, have become indescribably repulsed at what the GOP and the conservative movement writ large has become under Trump, I still find myself stunned to even have to consider whether people in the United States of America would pine for authoritarianism here at home.
 
I get that and would’ve felt the same way a while ago. I think we were brought up in similar ways and hold onto that idea of America that we were taught.

Studying history has led me to realize that this sort of tendency was always bubbling underneath the surface of American society, even going back to the revolution. You can certainly see it in the lead up to the Civil War and the years after.

Authoritarians at home have done a good job of wrapping themselves in the flag and pretending to be protecting American ideals while doing exactly the opposite.
Very well-said. I think that one of my weaknesses is that I probably hold onto a sanitized and idealistic view of America and Americans that is coming more and more into conflict with the uncomfortable realization that, yep, very, very many of my fellow countrymen and women have what I consider to be some really misguided or even outright deplorable views.
 
I try not to be cynical because I think there is a significant portion of the American population, even some of those voting for Trump, who could be yanked back over to the light given the right steps are taken.

Every day that goes by in the current environment makes it less likely that those steps will ever be able to be taken though.
Yep. It's getting so much harder to give people the benefit of the doubt anymore, as there's just really any doubt left about who and what Trump and Trump is/are. I had a family member just this morning post on Facebook about how Trump was right about Hitler/the Nazis in that "they did a lot of bad things that they are remembered for but all Trump just meant that they did a lot of good things for the economy and for the German people and that even people who bad things can also do good things." Just completely and utterly an irredeemably awful point of view, and it is one that this person would have never, ever had if it had been literally any other politician or any other person saying it.
 
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