Trump says he has nullified Biden's pardons

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ZenMode said:
I don't even know if autopen is a thing, but it would be an interesting legal situation if it turns out that Biden truly didn't know about some of the pardon/EOs happening. From day one, when he was signing EO's, it seemed like he was more being told what to do than actually determining what was being done.
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lol you think Trump has read most of the executive orders he’s signed?
 
Ramrouser said:
Personally, I don't think Trump is serious about this particular issue - just having fun.
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Why do you continue to say this?

Almost every stupid thing trump talks about you say oh he's probably not going to do it, he's just lying again.

How does one have an opinion of a person like that and want that person to lead their country?

Plus, it's been proven wrong now. He is stupid enough to believe that tariffs are great. He is stupid enough to think that all LBGTQ people should be discriminated against. And the list goes on and on.

The stupider his statements, the more likely he actually believes them.

What did you think of his car commercial for teslers?
 
What’s wrong with a President promoting a great US company making great products in the USA? I thought y’all liked promoting EVs. What did you think about Biden inviting the US EV manufacturers to the WH and only excluded Tesla/Musk?
 
Ramrouser said:
I'm simply stating my opinion. I think Trump likes the idea of planting a seed with the preemptive pardon recipients that they might not be free from punishment. Some of those folks (in his mind) treated him very badly. And it's a twofer: he gets to point out how cognitively deficient Biden was and not actually the President of the US. I don't think he believes he can unilaterally withdraw pardons from a predecessor President.
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So why does he lie about it?
 
Ramrouser said:
What’s wrong with a President promoting a great US company making great products in the USA? I thought y’all liked promoting EVs. What did you think about Biden inviting the US EV manufacturers to the WH and only excluded Tesla/Musk?
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I would say that you know the answer, but you did vote for a used car sales man, not a leader.
 
Ramrouser said:
I'm simply stating my opinion. I think Trump likes the idea of planting a seed with the preemptive pardon recipients that they might not be free from punishment. Some of those folks (in his mind) treated him very badly. And it's a twofer: he gets to point out how cognitively deficient Biden was and not actually the President of the US. I don't think he believes he can unilaterally withdraw pardons from a predecessor President.
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But again...you cheerlead this kind of thing.

Donyou think that is appropriate behavior for the most powerful elected official in the world?
 
Ramrouser said:
What’s wrong with a President promoting a great US company making great products in the USA? I thought y’all liked promoting EVs. What did you think about Biden inviting the US EV manufacturers to the WH and only excluded Tesla/Musk?
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1. Teslas are probably the shittiest EV available at this point.

2. I would assume as an attorney you recognize a conflict of interest
 
sringwal said:
Clearly, though, that isn't the case. There are both recordings and transcripts of Biden speaking about the pardons throughout the process.
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I haven't heard them, but if that is the case, then there's no reason to believe there's an issue.
 
wmheel1287 said:
1. Teslas are probably the shittiest EV available at this point.

2. I would assume as an attorney you recognize a conflict of interest
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If Tesla's a shit EV then the market will eventually take care of this. Funny, it seems like 3 out of 4 cars in Buckhead are Teslas so some people apparently like the product. I assume most are liberal owners as most feature environmental vanity plates.

There are always potential conflicts of interests in government. I admit you need to be mindful of it and put up safeguards. Was it a conflict for Biden to drive Ford and Cadillac EVs and to "promote" those products while excluding Tesla?
 
wmheel1287 said:
But again...you cheerlead this kind of thing.

Donyou think that is appropriate behavior for the most powerful elected official in the world?
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News flash: Trump is brash and crude and says things that Pi$$ people off. People knew that when they elected him two times.
 
Ramrouser said:
If Tesla's a shit EV then the market will eventually take care of this. Funny, it seems like 3 out of 4 cars in Buckhead are Teslas so some people apparently like the product. I assume most are liberal owners as most feature environmental vanity plates.

There are always potential conflicts of interests in government. I admit you need to be mindful of it and put up safeguards. Was it a conflict for Biden to drive Ford and Cadillac EVs and to "promote" those products while excluding Tesla?
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What safeguards has Trump put up to mitigate potential conflicts of interest? Be specific. Cite your sources.
 
StrangePackage said:
What safeguards has Trump put up to mitigate potential conflicts of interest? Be specific. Cite your sources.
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Transparency. Oh, and Trump cancelled Tesla's 400M contract. Feb 13, 2025 NPR: "The State Department said Thursday it is abandoning plans of purchasing $400 million worth of armored Tesla vehicles..."
 
Ramrouser said:
If Tesla's a shit EV then the market will eventually take care of this. Funny, it seems like 3 out of 4 cars in Buckhead are Teslas so some people apparently like the product. I assume most are liberal owners as most feature environmental vanity plates.

There are always potential conflicts of interests in government. I admit you need to be mindful of it and put up safeguards. Was it a conflict for Biden to drive Ford and Cadillac EVs and to "promote" those products while excluding Tesla?
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You continue to say Biden excluded Tesla...what makes you say this? It's not as if Biden represented every EV company in the event...just the Big 3. That's not exactly out of line for any American President. As a matter of fact, it would be weird to include any auto manufacturer other than the Big 3 based on precedent by other leaders.

And we are not talking about a "potential" conflict of interest. We are talking about the company of the richest man in the world who has also been placed in control of the entirety of the federal government spending apparatus with no apparent oversight from anyone including POTUS himself. This person is also the recipient of more federal funds than any other person on the planet. That's not potential. That's real and clear.
 
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