Trump still hasn't figured out tariffs are a tax on consumers — Announces blanket tariffs on Mexico, Canada and China

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Ramrouser said:
to solve the border issue.
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The only way the “border issue” will be truly fixed is to fix the root cause of massive migration. We can build a 50 foot high wall and do all kinds of barbaric stuff to these folks….and they are still going to come.
 
Ramrouser said:
They'll forgive us. Trump is simply using the economic might of the US as leverage in a way no other US President has done before. It's a bit unseemly but that's Trump. Canada and Mexico (from their perspective) can't afford to call his bluff.
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The problem is, they really can’t afford to not call his bluff either. And they know vanity is his weakness. The people of Mexico and Canada are more likely to forgive their leaders standing up to a craven bully than Americans are to forgive Trump for sabotaging the US economy.
 
It's less about fixing the cause and more about how to utilize the resource it actually is. Properly done, it's an opportunity and not a problem but that doesn't scare anybody into voting Republican.
 
Ramrouser said:
to solve the border issue.
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But again, what if they call his bluff. What does Trump do then? Because "solving the border crisis by requiring Mexico to pay for the wall" didn't work last time, and they are coming to the table with a much better plan this time.

Keep in mind, Trump plays a very short game (it's why he gets a diplomacy handicap). He just has to look like a winner until he dies. That's his aim. Countries like Mexico and Canada simply aren't interested in encouraging bad behavior from their already volatile sibling.
 
My prediction: the economy will slowly worsen over time during Trump’s presidency (except for an uptick after the recession) and Trump’s acolytes will claim victory no matter what.
 
sringwal said:
But again, what if they call his bluff. What does Trump do then? Because "solving the border crisis by requiring Mexico to pay for the wall" didn't work last time, and they are coming to the table with a much better plan this time.

Keep in mind, Trump plays a very short game (it's why he gets a diplomacy handicap). He just has to look like a winner until he dies. That's his aim. Countries like Mexico and Canada simply aren't interested in encouraging bad behavior from their already volatile sibling.
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At the end of Trump's first term, the border issue (massive people streaming into the country) was largely solved. It was under Biden/Harris that the flood gates were opened. He'll get things under control fast with the help from Mexico and Canada.

No argument from me that Trump plays the short game. As he says, we'll have to see what happens next. I'm betting on much more cooperation on the border from our neighbors between now and Inauguration Day and no tariffs imposed.
 
Ramrouser said:
At the end of Trump's first term, the border issue (massive people streaming into the country) was largely solved. It was under Biden/Harris that the flood gates were opened. He'll get things under control fast with the help from Mexico and Canada.

No argument from me that Trump plays the short game. As he says, we'll have to see what happens next. I'm betting on much more cooperation on the border from our neighbors between now and Inauguration Day and no tariffs imposed.
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Well, and not to be flippant, but Covid was happening. His numbers were pretty stagnate leading up to the pandemic. Pandemics and other world-wide crises have a tendency to fuck with data.

Regardless. I sincerely hope you are correct.
 
Ramrouser said:
At the end of Trump's first term, the border issue (massive people streaming into the country) was largely solved.
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This is factually incorrect... unless by "solved" you mean "a global 100 year pandemic created a massive global recession which slowed the movement of people, money and resources and allowed for extraordinary measures which caused the border to basically shut down for all traffic - including tourism and commerce and THAT solved the border 'issue'" - if that's what you mean then ok you are correct.
 
COVID helped with the border, no question but there were never as many illegal crossings under Trump as compared to B/H. The neat thing is that we're going to be able to compare B/H's four year record on the border to the next two under Trump without the intervention of COVID.

I'm betting illegal crossing decrease substantially during the next two years.
 
Ramrouser said:
COVID helped with the border, no question but there were never as many illegal crossings under Trump as compared to B/H. The neat thing is that we're going to be able to compare B/H's four year record on the border to the next two under Trump without the intervention of COVID.

I'm betting illegal crossing decrease substantially during the next two years.
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They sure as hell will if our economy goes in the shitter.
 
If only we had these weird little things “data” that show that illegal border crossings have been at a five-year low this year under the current administration, and if only we were able to look back to five years ago to determine who was the president at the time….
 
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