Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

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This may be the most obvious thing anyone has ever posted on this board, but I was thinking this morning about how many Pubs seem to be finding out only now what Trump kept saying he would do, and relatedly, how many Pubs still claim Kamala never said anything about what she wanted to do. I mean, billions were spent on advertising. The candidates' respective positions were all over the nightly news, MSM websites, discussed in rallies and press events, etc. How could Pubs be so ignorant to the positions of both candidates.

The answer, obviously, is the insular right wing media system that most Pubs now inhabit. Those of us who pay attention to all media sources had plenty of information about what the candidates intended to do. But right wing sources sanewashed Trump WAY more than the MSM did, while also completely failing to cover what Kamala was campaigning on. If all you watch is Fox, Newsmax, etc., and all you read is the NY Post and Epoch Times, and all you listen to is Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, of course you'll think Kamala had no plan for anything. None of them made an effort whatsoever to report what Kamala was promising to do.

This is not to excuse anyone. Pubs choose to filter out information that could make them fully informed participants in our political system. That's all on them. But to me at least, this explains the ignorance. It's not that Pubs are hearing the truth and ignoring it. They're never hearing it at all.
 
lawtig02 said:
This may be the most obvious thing anyone has ever posted on this board, but I was thinking this morning about how many Pubs seem to be finding out only now what Trump kept saying he would do, and relatedly, how many Pubs still claim Kamala never said anything about what she wanted to do. I mean, billions were spent on advertising. The candidates' respective positions were all over the nightly news, MSM websites, discussed in rallies and press events, etc. How could Pubs be so ignorant to the positions of both candidates.

The answer, obviously, is the insular right wing media system that most Pubs now inhabit. Those of us who pay attention to all media sources had plenty of information about what the candidates intended to do. But right wing sources sanewashed Trump WAY more than the MSM did, while also completely failing to cover what Kamala was campaigning on. If all you watch is Fox, Newsmax, etc., and all you read is the NY Post and Epoch Times, and all you listen to is Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, of course you'll think Kamala had no plan for anything. None of them made an effort whatsoever to report what Kamala was promising to do.

This is not to excuse anyone. Pubs choose to filter out information that could make them fully informed participants in our political system. That's all on them. But to me at least, this explains the ignorance. It's not that Pubs are hearing the truth and ignoring it. They're never hearing it at all.
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FWIW, I think you are mostly spot-on here. I do think that for the folks who do hear the messages from outside their bubbles, they have been conditioned to instantly reject it and to hate it - because it came out of a Democrat's (or other "outsider's") mouth. And I also think that, tragically, when and if the shit does hit the fan, these same folks you mention will likely never blame the people who deserve it/are responsible for it. They'll be fed that it's the Democrats' fault in perpetuity, and that the so-called librul media is the problem and they are the ones who have created the alternate reality for lefties (accuse the other, of that which you are guilty). Right-wing media and pink slime is a gigantic and pernicious problem.

There's an independent doc out there from right before Trump was elected called, The Brainwashing of My Dad, which documents this woman's life with her previously reasonable father, who, once he got started on a steady diet of right-wing media, became unhappy, irritable, and intolerant of damned near anything or anyone. She eventually got him to stop watching, and he apparently mostly returned to how he was before not too long after that, but not all of us are that lucky. It's worth a watch, if for nothing else but empathy for what so many of us are going through, particularly with Thanksgiving fast approaching.
 
lawtig02 said:
This may be the most obvious thing anyone has ever posted on this board, but I was thinking this morning about how many Pubs seem to be finding out only now what Trump kept saying he would do, and relatedly, how many Pubs still claim Kamala never said anything about what she wanted to do. I mean, billions were spent on advertising. The candidates' respective positions were all over the nightly news, MSM websites, discussed in rallies and press events, etc. How could Pubs be so ignorant to the positions of both candidates.

The answer, obviously, is the insular right wing media system that most Pubs now inhabit. Those of us who pay attention to all media sources had plenty of information about what the candidates intended to do. But right wing sources sanewashed Trump WAY more than the MSM did, while also completely failing to cover what Kamala was campaigning on. If all you watch is Fox, Newsmax, etc., and all you read is the NY Post and Epoch Times, and all you listen to is Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, of course you'll think Kamala had no plan for anything. None of them made an effort whatsoever to report what Kamala was promising to do.

This is not to excuse anyone. Pubs choose to filter out information that could make them fully informed participants in our political system. That's all on them. But to me at least, this explains the ignorance. It's not that Pubs are hearing the truth and ignoring it. They're never hearing it at all.
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Yes, I would imagine that many Trump voters saw more clips of CNN/MSNBC hosts talking about Kamala than actual clips of Kamala herself (unless you count the ones playing in Trump's ads).

I do also want to keep sight of the larger point here, though: this election was likely decided by voters who are not very politically engaged at all. We all know about the 40% of voters who are wandering off in MAGA dreamland. But it seems more and more clear to me that presidential "swing voters" are largely people who mostly don't consume any form of political news to any great degree, and instead show up to vote based on very limited exposure to such information (this is part of the reason political ads are effective).
 
CHAMTRAIN said:
I think this whole thread is a bit misguided, Pubs really do want these things. They are happy these things are happening, there is no remorse. We keep trying to impute some sort of moral fiber in them that simply does not exist. Realize it and act accordingly.
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MAGAs yes. But Trump was also buoyed by low-information voters who just wanted eggs to get cheaper. They share in the culpability, but they’re not evil, just stupid.
 
HeelingAg said:
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ETA: I take no schadenfreude from the clip, bc Gaza is now effectively an Aleppo or Kharkiv type situation - ie a humanitarian disaster that will likely accelerate beyond what most here imagine. I do work that exposes me to persistent examples of the surprisingly common human failure to accurately assess aggregate personal wellness vs gratification. I don’t see the uncommitted folks terribly differently.
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I take no joy in the suffering of people in Gaza but there is little that Biden can do about that.

If this guy would have had a mea culpa moment and said, "We were wrong and in hindsight we should have chosen the best of two bad options," I would say, ok, let's see what we can all do moving forward.

He did not do that. He did not accept that he played any role in the direction that we are going. Instead, he did the exact opposite and blamed Biden for the things that Trump is going to do. So f' that guy.
 
CFordUNC said:
Fuck around, find out, things of that nature.
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While I am as bitter as anyone toward those uncommitted motherfuckers, and taking some perverse pleasure in watching them being politically destroyed in real time, it's also worth remembering that the real victims are going to be tens or hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank. It's hard to sustain my enjoyment for too long in recognition of that fact.
 
Enigma94 said:
Dude is still blaming Biden for what Trump is about to do. Fuck him.
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That's what I thought at first too, and it's fair to read that into his remarks. But in fairness, he did say "do something before Donald Trump pins this all on you." So that's not exactly blaming Biden -- not at this present moment. It's easy to lose that because they blamed Biden for everything up until this point.
 
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