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Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

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CFordUNC said:
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In a video obtained by CNN’s Andrew Kaczynski during Huckabee’s 2015 run for president, Huckabee suggested that if a Palestinian state were to be created, it should be in neighboring countries like Egypt, Syria or Jordan, rather than within Israel’s borders.

“Basically, there really is no such thing as — I need to be careful about saying this, because people will really get upset — there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian,” Huckabee said at a 2008 campaign stop in Massachusetts while speaking to two Orthodox Jewish men. “There’s not.”

In response to a question from one of the men about the possibility of a Palestinian state existing outside of Israel, Huckabee said he believed this was the preferable option.

“You have Arabs and Persians,” Huckabee continued at the 2008 appearance. “And there’s such complexity in that. But there’s really no such thing. That’s been a political tool to try and force land away from Israel.”
 
CFordUNC said:
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I think what people often miss about MAGA is that it dominance cosplay. Again, it's worth considering the common themes in all of Trump's presidential runs. It's always about other people paying us for the privilege of serving us. Mexico paying for the wall; foreigners paying through the nose to do business in America; NATO paying us; etc. etc.

MAGAs think this will work because it works on them. Trump shits on them; they love it; they ask for more. The relationship between Trumpers and Trump is not all that different than intimate partner violence.

So of course Trumpers then turn around and try to repay that in their personal lives. They expect to be able to do and say unspeakable things to us, and we will roll over and give them what they crave just like they rolled over for Trump. That's the story.

I first realized this in 16 when I saw how the mouth-breathers were using Trump's victory aggressively. Remember the guy banned from Delta flights because he started shouting "Trump, bitches" at other passengers? There were kids across the country who were using Trump to bully Hispanic kids in school (I know; I was there). Now look at the reactions from every single one of our GOP posters. It's basically regurgitated, "Scoreboard!"

That's what MAGA is all about. Dominance and submission. Scapegoating of the other. Liberatory hatred. It has never been about jobs, about returning manufacturing, about inflation, about cost of living -- it's not about any of that. And one way to know that is that Trump never did anything about those things and he lost no support for failing to do so. None.
 
lawtig02 said:
Oopsies.


In a video obtained by CNN’s Andrew Kaczynski during Huckabee’s 2015 run for president, Huckabee suggested that if a Palestinian state were to be created, it should be in neighboring countries like Egypt, Syria or Jordan, rather than within Israel’s borders.

“Basically, there really is no such thing as — I need to be careful about saying this, because people will really get upset — there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian,” Huckabee said at a 2008 campaign stop in Massachusetts while speaking to two Orthodox Jewish men. “There’s not.”

In response to a question from one of the men about the possibility of a Palestinian state existing outside of Israel, Huckabee said he believed this was the preferable option.

“You have Arabs and Persians,” Huckabee continued at the 2008 appearance. “And there’s such complexity in that. But there’s really no such thing. That’s been a political tool to try and force land away from Israel.”
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Those Arabs sure seem practiced at sucking up to monarchs. They bootlick impressively. Hmm, maybe that's because those skills are required in the region from where they hail?

We have to wake up to the fact that immigrants bring their cultural expectations with them (which has been happening since the beginning of immigration). It's not blaming anyone to observe that people who grow up with authoritarian governments all around them are likely going to be more tolerant of authoritarianism. In fact, they will probably pre-emptively reach for it. Likewise, people who come from cultures where fluffing the monarch is an important skill are likely to view the world that way.

It would be nice if they could recognize those tendencies and recalibrate in their adopted homeland, but that's a tall order -- especially for older people. It's more likely that we are going to have to adjust our expectations. This is what has been done in the past.
 
CFordUNC said:


washingtonmonthly.com

Kamala Harris Did Listen To Working-Class Voters. They Didn't Listen To Trump. | Washington Monthly

One week later and the Democratic Party’s self-flagellation continues. “We don’t listen enough; we tell people what’s good for them,” scolded Senator Chris Murphy on X. “Listen to poor and rural people, men in crisis. Don’t decide for them.” “No one is listening to anything else you say if you...
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Yea, it’s the voter’s fault. That’s just the kind of arrogance, tone deafness, and being completely out of touch with reality that got you your ass handed to you.. but by all means, keep finding excuses rather than face reality.
 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, it’s the voter’s fault. That’s just the kind of arrogance, tone deafness, and being completely out of touch with reality that got you your ass handed to you.. but by all means, keep finding excuses rather than face reality.
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Most of us blame the cravenness of the press.
 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, it’s the voter’s fault. That’s just the kind of arrogance, tone deafness, and being completely out of touch with reality that got you your ass handed to you.. but by all means, keep finding excuses rather than face reality.
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Ya know, I don’t remember the media and people like you talking about how of touch republicans were with reality when they lost the popular vote in 2008 or 2012 or 2016 or 2020
 
milom98 said:
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I imagine the excuse will be something along the lines of "Biden made such a mess that Trump couldn't clean it up in four years, so let's give ole JD Vance a chance to fit it."
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To which I will say "fuck that." It's amazing how fast and how much policy an administration can deliver without any checks and balances. If R takes the House as well, and it looks like it will, anything that can't get cleaned up in four years ain't ever gonna get cleaned up. #noexcuses2028
 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, it’s the voter’s fault. That’s just the kind of arrogance, tone deafness, and being completely out of touch with reality that got you your ass handed to you.. but by all means, keep finding excuses rather than face reality.
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I don’t think it’s arrogant, tone deaf, or being out of touch to say that voters were not properly informed about important issues or about the respective candidates’ position on those issues. I have said all along that the Democratic Party has itself to blame for not doing a better job of messaging, meeting working class voters where they are, talking to working class voters like normal people, etc. I have also said that the Republican Party, and more specifically its associated media apparatus, is to blame for flooding the zone with a torrent of outright bullshit and lies and misinformation designed to confuse, inflame, and obfuscate to voters. But clearly it worked, and clearly it won them the election, and clearly the whole point of elections is to win them by whatever means necessary.

By the way, I would probably be a little more judicious in the whole “ass kicking” thing. Trump did not even win a plurality of the votes, has one of the smallest popular vote margins ever in the history of United States presidential elections, and had down ballot Democrats perform much, much better across the country than they otherwise should have in a cycle where the Republican presidential ticket won. My biggest hope is that folks like you and the rest of the GOP will continue strutting around as if you won some sort of landslide mandate, and I hope that Trump and the Republicans will govern accordingly. That is exactly what the Democratic Party should be hoping happens right now because 2026 and 2028 cycles are coming soon, and voters really don’t like the actual policy implementations that the Trump administration plans- repeal of the ACA, slashing of Social Security and disability benefits, reduction of veterans benefits, politicization of the military, etc.
 
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superrific said:
I think what people often miss about MAGA is that it dominance cosplay. Again, it's worth considering the common themes in all of Trump's presidential runs. It's always about other people paying us for the privilege of serving us. Mexico paying for the wall; foreigners paying through the nose to do business in America; NATO paying us; etc. etc.

MAGAs think this will work because it works on them. Trump shits on them; they love it; they ask for more. The relationship between Trumpers and Trump is not all that different than intimate partner violence.

So of course Trumpers then turn around and try to repay that in their personal lives. They expect to be able to do and say unspeakable things to us, and we will roll over and give them what they crave just like they rolled over for Trump. That's the story.

I first realized this in 16 when I saw how the mouth-breathers were using Trump's victory aggressively. Remember the guy banned from Delta flights because he started shouting "Trump, bitches" at other passengers? There were kids across the country who were using Trump to bully Hispanic kids in school (I know; I was there). Now look at the reactions from every single one of our GOP posters. It's basically regurgitated, "Scoreboard!"

That's what MAGA is all about. Dominance and submission. Scapegoating of the other. Liberatory hatred. It has never been about jobs, about returning manufacturing, about inflation, about cost of living -- it's not about any of that. And one way to know that is that Trump never did anything about those things and he lost no support for failing to do so. None.
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On your last few sentences, I am not sure the average MAGA knows that stuff. These people are glued to Fox News. They get propaganda fed to them every night. When it is a Republican in office it is about how great the economy is, how low the crime rate is, etc. When it is a Democrat in office it is about how horrible the economy is, how high the crime rate is, etc. The actual metrics don't matter because they are constantly being fed lies.

That is why I push back when people say all MAGAs are racist, etc. They are just reacting to the world as their media tells them it is.

That is not to say that there isn't a lot of truth with what you say about many in the MAGA movement but it isn't universal by any stretch.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
On your last few sentences, I am not sure the average MAGA knows that stuff. These people are glued to Fox News. They get propaganda fed to them every night. When it is a Republican in office it is about how great the economy is, how low the crime rate is, etc. When it is a Democrat in office it is about how horrible the economy is, how high the crime rate is, etc. The actual metrics don't matter because they are constantly being fed lies.

That is why I push back when people say all MAGAs are racist, etc. They are just reacting to the world as their media tells them it is.

That is not to say that there isn't a lot of truth with what you say about many in the MAGA movement but it isn't universal by any stretch.
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Yes, while some MAGAs are racist, the movement as whole is better characterized by saying that they are susceptible to being made to believe racist things than that they are actually racist.
 
Enigma94 said:
Dude is still blaming Biden for what Trump is about to do. Fuck him.
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I would rough up my two younger brothers on occasion when we were growing up. Sometimes, I would tell our father they made me do it. Never worked. Still, you can expect that line from a kid, not a grown man.
 
Enigma94 said:
Dude is still blaming Biden for what Trump is about to do. Fuck him.
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That was my takeaway too, and it's a nice preview of what we'll be hearing from pretty much everyone on the right in a few months when the news is showing dads being ripped away from their screaming kids by ICE agents carrying assault weapons and the economy is crashing for lack of labor.

"This is all Biden's fault!!!"
 
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