Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

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heelinhell said:
Yeah I gave Paine a "like" because I thought he was being sarcastic.

I'm baffled that he doesn't realize that she ran on every single one of these issues.
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She didn’t run on every single one of the issues listed in that chart. That’s simply incorrect.
 
CFordUNC said:
It’s the weirdest thing. I was much more angry or upset back in 2020 about the prospect of Trump being reelected during that election cycle. This time, not only am I not angry or upset, but I’m happy for all of these folks who are going to get to reap the benefits of their vote. That’s democracy, baby.

You want economic recession? Great. Almost every single Republican presidential administration since World War II has triggered an economic recession. You want to terrorize and deport immigrants who are here working and peacefully contributing to our society? Great. When you can’t afford produce or meat at the grocery store anymore, or when you can’t buy a house because construction prices have exploded, at least there won’t be any brown people around. When you want to try to get by on a fixed income in retirement and enjoy your golden years, but can’t because your Social Security benefits and your disability benefits and your Medicare benefits have been reduced, at least you owned those rich, elitist libs. When your buying power gets slashed because literally almost every consumer item has components affected by proposed tariffs, at least you owned those rich, elitist libs. When you’re approaching retirement age but can’t retire because Elon Musk and Peter Thiel crashed the stock market, at least you stuck it to the elites. When your parents or other older family members get sick and need round the clock care but can’t afford it, and you can’t afford it either because you thought that Medicare was socialism, at least you put those commies in their place. When your special needs child or your first-generation/low-income student loses all educational access and opportunity because the Department of Education is gone, at least they can go work for minimum wage in the meat packing jobs vacated by all of the brown people you deported. When your wife, daughter, or girlfriend find out in the week 22 of pregnancy anatomy scan that their baby is missing half its skull and organs, at least you stuck it to all of those theoretical mothers out there who don’t exist who were seeking recreational 39 week elective abortions.

Elections have consequences!
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The dark side of me is with you, my brother.

I am a 73 yo well to do straight white male so whatever Trump does will likely not have much, if any, impact on my few remaining years.
If not for my kids and grandkids, I would gladly unleash my alter ego to join you in a morbid celebration of schadenfreude.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Assuming SCOTUS found this to be legal, this would be an administrative nightmare.

Nobody is given a certificate of citizenship at birth. Our birth certificates prove citizenship. Now for anyone born after this goes into effect, all administration agencies will have to somehow investigate the citizenship status of the parents. This might be a decade or two after the person was born.
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Agree but it’s based on the premise that they think these things through 😉
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
Assuming SCOTUS found this to be legal, this would be an administrative nightmare.

Nobody is given a certificate of citizenship at birth. Our birth certificates prove citizenship. Now for anyone born after this goes into effect, all administration agencies will have to somehow investigate the citizenship status of the parents. This might be a decade or two after the person was born.
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But...

Isn't trump's team against unnecessary bureaucracy?
 
korgguy1971 said:
"You, like MAGA, can choose to believe whatever you like" - is unambiguously snarky and there's no need to spin it otherwise. Let's just forget about it and move on. Also, I did tag my last sentence in that original post with "(/s)" for sarcasm.

As for "who," I was thinking more along the lines of bots padding/artificially skewing search results - which has definitely been done before. But I do concede that I'm not sure what a reason to do this would be. The graph in your OP seems legit, but I would just prefer some greater transparency into the data before putting a pin in it.
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No spin needed. It was not intended to be snarky. I’ll say again, I can totally see how you would feel that way.
 
"Post decision making cognitive dissonance" It's human nature. I studied this in my first Psych course in summer school in 1974.
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Post-Decision Dissonance: Definition and Examples

Post-decision dissonance refers to the psychological discomfort or inner conflict that a person may experience after deciding between multiple options. This discomfort arises from the belief that there might have been better alternatives available that
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heelinhell said:
Please correct me and list the issues in that chart that she did not address.
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I’m specifically talking about tuition free public colleges and universities and a single-payer Medicare for All system. She didn’t run on either of these.

As for the others, a lot of those were Biden policies that Harris seemed to tacitly endorse, like the late-breaking rent cap policy that she never talked about afterwards.

She can say she’s for these polices in a manual or platform that no one reads, but if she doesn’t talk about it on the stump or bring the message to the media, then there’s no way for it to break through to regular people.

Her stump speech is easily available for us all to look at. She gave basically the same version for the entire campaign. I didn’t hear her talk once about the PRO Act on the stump, for instance. She had time to campaign with Liz Cheney multiple times but not Shaun Fain or Bernie Sanders?

Again, it’s all about how you message your support for these policies.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Sad to admit, but I would be delighted to see this come to pass and see MAGA voters realize they are suffering exclusively at their own hands.

BUT - they will never come to this realization. The same right-wing media and pink slime ecosystem will shift the blame to Democrats 24/7 somehow, and just as they have demonstrated to us for the last 9 years, they will eat that shit up faster than a bucket of KFC.

It will be a perpetual demonization of Democrats - some kind of "Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia" - for as long as it will work.
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Yep. I think that's why the real outrage gets saved for people going no contact. The cause and effect there is incredibly simple and it's not exactly easy to pretend that it's not happening.
 
Paine said:
I’m specifically talking about tuition free public colleges and universities and a single-payer Medicare for All system. She didn’t run on either of these.

As for the others, a lot of those were Biden policies that Harris seemed to tacitly endorse, like the late-breaking rent cap policy that she never talked about afterwards.

She can say she’s for these polices in a manual or platform that no one reads, but if she doesn’t talk about it on the stump or bring the message to the media, then there’s no way for it to break through to regular people.

Her stump speech is easily available for us all to look at. She gave basically the same version for the entire campaign. I didn’t hear her talk once about the PRO Act on the stump, for instance. She had time to campaign with Liz Cheney multiple times but not Shaun Fain or Bernie Sanders?

Again, it’s all about how you message your support for these policies.
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She certainly pushed for tuition free community college tuition and college debt forgiveness:


She certainly had a national single payer health care system policy:

www.americanactionforum.org

Medicare for All: The Harris Plan - AAF

This report analyzes Medicare for All’s impact on health coverage, provider access, productivity, and budget.
www.americanactionforum.org www.americanactionforum.org

You can hear her talk about the PRO ACT here:

 
heelinhell said:
She certainly pushed for tuition free community college tuition and college debt forgiveness:


She certainly had a national single payer health care system policy:

www.americanactionforum.org

Medicare for All: The Harris Plan - AAF

This report analyzes Medicare for All’s impact on health coverage, provider access, productivity, and budget.
www.americanactionforum.org www.americanactionforum.org

You can hear her talk about the PRO ACT here:

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Both of the articles you linked are about things Harris either supported in Congress or in her 2019 campaign. She did not campaign on these in 2024.

I stand corrected on her mentioning the PRO Act once. It’s not inaccurate at all to say she did not center her campaign on discussing unions, why they’re important, and how they help the working class. Telling people she’ll make it easier to join a union doesn’t move the needle when most people don’t even know what unions do anymore.

This stuff requires communication. She failed to communicate. Partially through existing factors beyond her control and partially through her campaign’s own strategy.
 
Paine said:
Both of the articles you linked are about things Harris either supported in Congress or in her 2019 campaign. She did not campaign on these in 2024.

I stand corrected on her mentioning the PRO Act once. It’s not inaccurate at all to say she did not center her campaign on discussing unions, why they’re important, and how they help the working class. Telling people she’ll make it easier to join a union doesn’t move the needle when most people don’t even know what unions do anymore.

This stuff requires communication. She failed to communicate. Partially through existing factors beyond her control and partially through her campaign’s own strategy.
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I don't exactly understand your point so I don't know if this is appropriate but , IRL construction, you approach a brick or concrete wall by focusing on a single point until you break through. That weakens the whole structure and it gets easier as you go. She never got that breakthrough and mostly through those existing factors.
 
finesse said:
I don't exactly understand your point so I don't know if this is appropriate but , IRL construction, you approach a brick or concrete wall by focusing on a single point until you break through. That weakens the whole structure and it gets easier as you go. She never got that breakthrough and mostly through those existing factors.
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But she also never focused on a specific point in an attempt to break through. Instead she tried to focus on lightly tapping around all the spots of the wall in hopes that it would collapse.
 
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