heelinhell
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Please correct me and list the issues in that chart that she did not address.She didn’t run on every single one of the issues listed in that chart. That’s simply incorrect.
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Please correct me and list the issues in that chart that she did not address.She didn’t run on every single one of the issues listed in that chart. That’s simply incorrect.
"You, like MAGA, can choose to believe whatever you like" - is unambiguously snarky and there's no need to spin it otherwise. Let's just forget about it and move on. Also, I did tag my last sentence in that original post with "(/s)" for sarcasm.
As for "who," I was thinking more along the lines of bots padding/artificially skewing search results - which has definitely been done before. But I do concede that I'm not sure what a reason to do this would be. The graph in your OP seems legit, but I would just prefer some greater transparency into the data before putting a pin in it.
I have ocean front property in kansas to sell you if you think his cult has any remorse whatsoever
I’m specifically talking about tuition free public colleges and universities and a single-payer Medicare for All system. She didn’t run on either of these.
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Literally what I was about to type.Two words…
Fuck ‘em.
She certainly pushed for tuition free community college tuition and college debt forgiveness:I’m specifically talking about tuition free public colleges and universities and a single-payer Medicare for All system. She didn’t run on either of these.
As for the others, a lot of those were Biden policies that Harris seemed to tacitly endorse, like the late-breaking rent cap policy that she never talked about afterwards.
She can say she’s for these polices in a manual or platform that no one reads, but if she doesn’t talk about it on the stump or bring the message to the media, then there’s no way for it to break through to regular people.
Her stump speech is easily available for us all to look at. She gave basically the same version for the entire campaign. I didn’t hear her talk once about the PRO Act on the stump, for instance. She had time to campaign with Liz Cheney multiple times but not Shaun Fain or Bernie Sanders?
Again, it’s all about how you message your support for these policies.
I don't exactly understand your point so I don't know if this is appropriate but , IRL construction, you approach a brick or concrete wall by focusing on a single point until you break through. That weakens the whole structure and it gets easier as you go. She never got that breakthrough and mostly through those existing factors.Both of the articles you linked are about things Harris either supported in Congress or in her 2019 campaign. She did not campaign on these in 2024.
I stand corrected on her mentioning the PRO Act once. It’s not inaccurate at all to say she did not center her campaign on discussing unions, why they’re important, and how they help the working class. Telling people she’ll make it easier to join a union doesn’t move the needle when most people don’t even know what unions do anymore.
This stuff requires communication. She failed to communicate. Partially through existing factors beyond her control and partially through her campaign’s own strategy.
Low information is prototypical MAGA. To the core. Except the ones smart enough to grift the rest.I don’t think that these are MAGA. These are probably low information voters who make a last second decision.
Free college tuition was not on the list of that survey but her policy for tuition free community college and loan forgiveness was her policy in this campaignBoth of the articles you linked are about things Harris either supported in Congress or in her 2019 campaign. She did not campaign on these in 2024.
I stand corrected on her mentioning the PRO Act once. It’s not inaccurate at all to say she did not center her campaign on discussing unions, why they’re important, and how they help the working class. Telling people she’ll make it easier to join a union doesn’t move the needle when most people don’t even know what unions do anymore.
This stuff requires communication. She failed to communicate. Partially through existing factors beyond her control and partially through her campaign’s own strategy.
I can't speak to that because, while I've never missed an election, I've never listened to a campaign speech. I look at who who I can stand as a person, who is most likely to move the country in the direction I think we should go and who has a chance to win and support what I think is the best combination of those. So, I don't know what she campaigned on. Otoh, from the things I've read, and I do read, the things you are suggesting aren't even strong in the middle.But she also never focused on a specific point in an attempt to break through. Instead she tried to focus on lightly tapping around all the spots of the wall in hopes that it would collapse.
I think the gist of conversations with Paine. His view of that 20% is so different from yours, and mine. It colors everything he does.Maybe I'm wrong because I certainly haven't done the research but if you arranged the registered voters in America in a graph and survey that middle 20% , how do you think the free tuition and one payer health care would rate? I don't see those as strong enough to move the needle or be breakthrough issues.
I'd support them, surely, but I'm some left of that.
1. Now your argument is that people don't know what unions do? That is not a problem that can be addressed during a presidential campaign. Maybe the unions need to be doing more, then.I stand corrected on her mentioning the PRO Act once. It’s not inaccurate at all to say she did not center her campaign on discussing unions, why they’re important, and how they help the working class. Telling people she’ll make it easier to join a union doesn’t move the needle when most people don’t even know what unions do anymore.
This stuff requires communication. She failed to communicate. Partially through existing factors beyond her control and partially through her campaign’s own strategy.
You missed something in those list of adjectives. And on that one, the politics isn't hard to pin down.The working-class swing voters who actually decide elections in this country broke for Trump. Their politics are much harder to pin down, but usually include elements of anti-populist, anti-elite, anti-establishment sentiment. These policies can come from the left or the right.