Trump Voters already having buyer’s remorse.

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gtyellowjacket said:
How did the echo chamber work out for us? Maybe time to start listening to some different voices.
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Agreed. You and I (plus others) play a key role on this board of exposing people to some differing perspectives on some things. They may not always appreciate us but they should :)
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Unlikely this convoluted legal strategy would get you there but Even if it did, 90% of Americans support contraception. Is it really likely politicians are going to vote against something that 90% of people like? That's why I say that Democrat scare tactics are about as ridiculous in some cases as Republican scare tactics.
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If God is on their side then yes
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Agreed. You and I (plus others) play a key role on this board of exposing people to some differing perspectives on some things. They may not always appreciate us but they should :)
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I will admit, you’ve proven time and time again how stupid the American electorate is.

The “I don’t follow politics—i like sports, I’m not big on empathy, and I’m willing to overlook vast moral, ethical, and legal shortcomings so I can maybe get lower taxes” vote was much larger than I anticipated.

Bravo for bringing that perspective.
 
EyeballKid said:
I will admit, you’ve proven time and time again how stupid the American electorate is.

The “I don’t follow politics—i like sports, I’m not big on empathy, and I’m willing to overlook vast moral, ethical, and legal shortcomings so I can maybe get lower taxes” vote was much larger than I anticipated.

Bravo for bringing that perspective.
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That attitude will surely win voters over in the future for the Dems!
 
One of the reasons that I’ve feeling mostly sanguine is because it’s becoming more and more obvious as the dust settles that the Dems simply lost a coin-flip election that was essentially as 50/50 as it could possibly be going in. It looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote by around 1.5%, and the Electoral College by just under 300,000 votes across 7 swing states. Hardly a blowout by any means, much less a mandate. Furthermore, Democrats made good gains almost everywhere else across the country, doing things like breaking the GOP supermajority in North Carolina, flipping the Kentucky Supreme Court, further shaving into the already razor thin Republican House majority, and not losing any Senate seats that they weren’t supposed to lose (though, obviously, not winning any that they weren’t supposed to win, either), and several other promising results across the country.

As frustrating as it will be to have the Trump administration and the GOP running wild- and not to minimize or trivialize the damage they can and likely will do- in many respects this was as close to the best possible outcome as was possible if Harris wasn’t going to win outright. The GOP is already running around as if they have a mandate, and they are surely going to wreak havoc with the implementation of the Project 2025 plans that, wink wink wink, they knew nothing about on the campaign trail, but it is probably for the best so that all of the low information voters get an actual dose of the kind of medicine that the GOP has been waiting to serve up. As I’ve been saying on several threads, the Democrats need to sit back and let it happen. Let Trump be Trump and let the voters get what they want. All of the Project 2025 stuff will get the MAGA base rock hard, but I think there are a lot of Trump voters and voters who sat out this election for whatever reason, who are not going to be as excited about 10% inflation, skyrocketing meat and produce and construction prices, even higher mortgage rates, even higher maternal mortality rates, even lower literacy rates, their teeth falling out because RFK removed fluoride from the drinking water, making polio, measles, mumps, and rubella great again, and a metric fuckton of bacteria and fecal matter in all of our food and chemical waste in our water.

I don’t think the Democrats need to go hog wild in making massive policy changes and abandoning popular liberal ideology. Even fucking Republicans and Trump voters themselves chose Harris policies over Trump policies in blind polling. Where the Democrats need a massive kick in the ass and a wholesale change is in our media, our messaging, and the way that reach and talk to people.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
That attitude will surely win voters over in the future for the Dems!
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Meh, I’ll just wait for the impending financial collapse due to an urgent lack of workers and high tariffs.

I hope the non-political/amoral/uneducated folks who are affected by these policies will come around—if we actually have a functioning government in 2026/2028.
 
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CFordUNC said:
One of the reasons that I’ve feeling mostly sanguine is because it’s becoming more and more obvious as the dust settles that the Dems simply lost a coin-flip election that was essentially as 50/50 as it could possibly be going in. It looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote by around 1.5%, and the Electoral College by just under 300,000 votes across 7 swing states. Hardly a blowout by any means, much less a mandate. Furthermore, Democrats made good gains almost everywhere else across the country, doing things like breaking the GOP supermajority in North Carolina, flipping the Kentucky Supreme Court, further shaving into the already razor thin Republican House majority, and not losing any Senate seats that they weren’t supposed to lose (though, obviously, not winning any that they weren’t supposed to win, either), and several other promising results across the country.

As frustrating as it will be to have the Trump administration and the GOP running wild- and not to minimize or trivialize the damage they can and likely will do- in many respects this was as close to the best possible outcome as was possible if Harris wasn’t going to win outright. The GOP is already running around as if they have a mandate, and they are surely going to wreak havoc with the implementation of the Project 2025 plans that, wink wink wink, they knew nothing about on the campaign trail, but it is probably for the best so that all of the low information voters get an actual dose of the kind of medicine that the GOP has been waiting to serve up. As I’ve been saying on several threads, the Democrats need to sit back and let it happen. Let Trump be Trump and let the voters get what they want. All of the Project 2025 stuff will get the MAGA base rock hard, but I think there are a lot of Trump voters and voters who sat out this election for whatever reason, who are not going to be as excited about 10% inflation, skyrocketing meat and produce and construction prices, even higher mortgage rates, even higher maternal mortality rates, even lower literacy rates, their teeth falling out because RFK removed fluoride from the drinking water, making polio, measles, mumps, and rubella great again, and a metric fuckton of bacteria and fecal matter in all of our food and chemical waste in our water.

I don’t think the Democrats need to go hog wild in making massive policy changes and abandoning popular liberal ideology. Even fucking Republicans and Trump voters themselves chose Harris policies over Trump policies in blind polling. Where the Democrats need a massive kick in the ass and a wholesale change is in our media, our messaging, and the way that reach and talk to people.
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My take exactly. Thanks for typing all that up. I haven’t the energy.
 
Centerpiece said:
My take exactly. Thanks for typing all that up. I haven’t the energy.
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Sure thing. Maybe it is the last two decades of being a Carolina football fan that has conditioned and numbed me about losses, but this one just doesn’t rile me up the way it would have had we lost in 2020. I think we lost a coin flip election by a thin margin, and I think there is plenty for us to to fix between now and the midterms and the next election in terms of media and messaging and like, but it’s hard not to be decently optimistic given the strength that Democrats across the country down the ballot, given that 2026 looks to be a much more favorable electoral cycle for the Democrats, and given that Trump is now officially term limited (yeah, yeah, I know, I know, some people are saying he won’t give up the presidency in 2028. I don’t buy that for a split second, for many reasons).
 
Go ahead and withdraw from NATO and allow Putin to invade Europe.
Let’s get this show on the road. I’ve waited my entire life for WW3.
From Cuban missles, hiding under my desk in elementary school, to JFK in Dallas, through the MLK RFKsr. murders, Kent St., Munich terrorists, Nixon tapes and the end of Vietnam War. To tear down this Wall Mr. Gorbachov, Iran Contra, 9-11, Afghanistan, Tea Parties and Trump 1.0
Fuck around and find out m-fers. Let’s get this show on the road.
 
EyeballKid said:
Meh, I’ll just wait for the impending financial collapse due to an urgent lack of workers and high tariffs.

I hope the non-political/amoral/uneducated folks who are affected by these policies will come around—if we actually have a functioning government in 2026/2028.
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I think Trump envisions himself as another Putin and I believe Putin has advised Trump on how to achieve that. Having America fall into a kleptocracy only helps Putin and Russia.

I think, so far, they have been successful. I think the one thing that they haven’t taken into consideration is that the American people are not like the Russian people. Russians have pretty much always lived under authoritarian rule. They just move on from one to another. The population is resigned to that being a fact of life. They may even desire it to some extent.

Americans aren’t that way. Of course there is a populist push in that direction but it is more driven by idealism or ignorance. When things start to look more like what Russia is today, the people will revolt - either at the ballot box or otherwise.
 
UNCatTech said:
Wow, you believe that anyone here listens to you or GT? Really? 😁
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This was meant as a joke.

I actually think that heelyeah us probably a decent person in real life.

He and ramrouser did at least answer when asked about what they support. I didn't agree with any of the responses, but it's a starting point.

As I've stated before it's not that the Republicans won. It's the candidate. Trump is and always will be a narcissistic piece of self centered shit. There were several others in the primaries that I wouldn't have had the same feelings about being elected.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
I think Trump envisions himself as another Putin and I believe Putin has advised Trump on how to achieve that. Having America fall into a kleptocracy only helps Putin and Russia.

I think, so far, they have been successful. I think the one thing that they haven’t taken into consideration is that the American people are not like the Russian people. Russians have pretty much always lived under authoritarian rule. They just move on from one to another. The population is resigned to that being a fact of life. They may even desire it to some extent.

Americans aren’t that way. Of course there is a populist push in that direction but it is more driven by idealism or ignorance. When things start to look more like what Russia is today, the people will revolt - either at the ballot box or otherwise.
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I hope you're right--but I don't see it. I don't think Americans have some sort of intrinsic/innate pull toward democracy. In the grand scheme of things, women and minorities have only had a say in our government for less than a century--and we've witnessed that Americans are still very reluctant to vote for a woman, and that there'll be severe backlash if a black man is elected.

Human nature dictates that a lot of people are naturally drawn to authoritarian leaders. It doesn't matter if you're in Russia or China or Venezuela or the UK or Spain or the Congo or the US.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
That attitude will surely win voters over in the future for the Dems!
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We’ve learned that elections have nothing to do with policy. If gas and eggs are at manageable prices, incumbents win, if gas is expensive incumbents lose. Thats just what it boils down to. Regardless of which side you are on, the tipping point voter doesn’t give a shit about your pet policy proposals. They just want to fill their car and pickup groceries and still have a positive balance in their checking account.
 
EyeballKid said:
I hope you're right--but I don't see it. I don't think Americans have some sort of intrinsic/innate pull toward democracy. In the grand scheme of things, women and minorities have only had a say in our government for less than a century--and we've witnessed that Americans are still very reluctant to vote for a woman, and that there'll be severe backlash if a black man is elected.

Human nature dictates that a lot of people are naturally drawn to authoritarian leaders. It doesn't matter if you're in Russia or China or Venezuela or the UK or Spain or the Congo or the US.
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Unfortunately many want a King.
 
UNCBAdookJD said:
We’ve learned that elections have nothing to do with policy. If gas and eggs are at manageable prices, incumbents win, if gas is expensive incumbents lose. Thats just what it boils down to. Regardless of which side you are on, the tipping point voter doesn’t give a shit about your pet policy proposals. They just want to fill their car and pickup groceries and still have a positive balance in their checking account.
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True, until a new law actually fucks them, then they whine, but never realize how they got there.
 
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