Trump: "We will take over Gaza and move all Palestinians out"

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RaiGuy said:
Longer than that. I posted an article when it all started about how the US and Israel were in talks to access the natural gas under Gaza. This was the plan all along. It never was about Hamas or the prisoners.
They’re bombing whole blocks in the West Bank. But some people will find an excuse for that too.
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That’s kind of crazy to say in totality. The whole thing started with 10/7.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Because a terrorist organization is in charge of a people. The Palestinians supposedly don’t want Hamas dictating and governing them. We’ve been told that over and over.
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Keep going
What about the dysfunctional arrangement that this "country" is based on led to "radicals" seizing power . Probably because it is a hellhole designed lately by Israel?
 
RaiGuy said:
100%
This has been Netanyahu and his far right people's plan for years. Why else would Netanyahu have been secretly funding Hamas and blocking elections from happening the last few years? Not to mention turning Gaza into an open-air prison to building up the tension. There was no doubt that something like that would happen. Again, go back and read the threads directly after Oct 7th. I posted that this was the plan all along, but some said I was being paranoid. I said it from the start and I'll say it again. This was never about Hamas nor the prisoners. You can stick your head in the sand and believe it was, but they aren't even hiding it anymore. Just look at the dumb smirk that Netanyahu had while Trump was suggesting this. As it was mentioned before, the West Bank is next. They've already started. Trump basically told them to accept this farce ceasefire deal and he greenlit them taking over the land. And for Gaza, once the Palestinians refuse to leave, then watch for some kind of reason where Israel will say that Hamas violated the ceasefire and they will continue with their genocide (even though Israel violated the ceasefire the first freaking day when it shot people that had returned to their homes and also a sniper took out a child that was riding a donkey.)
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Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

10/7 started all of this. Without it, there would have been no major war in Gaza. Great job, Hamas.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree.

10/7 started all of this. Without it, there would have been no major war in Gaza. Great job, Hamas.
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It's way more complicated than that. 10/7 was a horrific event and the Palestinians share a great deal of blame for the position they are in, but Israel has done terrible things as well. You can't just ignore everything that happened before 10/7. That's not a justification, just a recognition of the reality of that situation.
 
Enigma94 said:
It's way more complicated than that. 10/7 was a horrific event and the Palestinians share a great deal of blame for the position they are in, but Israel has done terrible things as well. You can't just ignore everything that happened before 10/7. That's not a justification, just a recognition of the reality of that situation.
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Agree 100%, but without 10/7 there is no 10/8. Just like without 9/11 there is no invasion of Afghanistan (or Iraq). There were root causes of 9/11 just like there were root causes of 10/7, but without those two seminal events the major military incursions afterwards simply don't happen.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Agree 100%, but without 10/7 there is no 10/8. Just like without 9/11 there is no invasion of Afghanistan (or Iraq). There were root causes of 9/11 just like there were root causes of 10/7, but without those two seminal events the major military incursions afterwards simply don't happen.
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I don't disagree with you about the aftermath of 10/7, although I think Israel did some things that I would consider to be outside the bounds of international norms. That said, the Palestinians bear a lot of the blame for allowing Hamas to operate as they did. But Israel shoulders a lot of blame for their treatment of the Palestinians prior to 10/7. There are no good guys here, but there are a lot of victims. Regardless of any of that, the idea that a solution is to forcibly remove millions of people from their homeland is asinine.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
So you think that Israel had plans to launch a multi-year long invasion of Gaza on 10/8 and 10/7 was just a coincidence?
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The date was uncertain but they started the plot with the pagers some time ago. I think that Israel had figured that if they kept pushing them around enough that they would do something like what happened out of desperation which would give them the excuse to do all this. So I feel sure that the date was totally coincidental.
 
Enigma94 said:
It's way more complicated than that. 10/7 was a horrific event and the Palestinians share a great deal of blame for the position they are in, but Israel has done terrible things as well. You can't just ignore everything that happened before 10/7. That's not a justification, just a recognition of the reality of that situation.
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They can look at the time maps of the expansion of Isreal. Who is always on the loosing end of that expansion?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
So you think that Israel had plans to launch a multi-year long invasion of Gaza on 10/8 and 10/7 was just a coincidence?
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Israel knew that Hamas would eventually do something, and Netanyahu allowed it to happen. Does it not seem weird that the strongest intelligence agency in the world, that is surveilling at region 24/7 and controls the borders of it, doesn't know an attack was being planned? There were plenty of warning signs and they were ignored. Add in the facts that Netanyahu was funding Hamas and helped block elections from happening and it makes it more obvious. He might not have known the scale of the attack, or that it would occur the same time a music festival was happening, but he knew something was coming. He had the built in excuse to do what he did. Also, after their response started, wasn't it strange that Netanyahu and his far right goons turned down ceasefire after ceasefire agreement, but then abruptly did a 180 once Trump promised them the land and they accepted the same deal that was offered nearly a year earlier? Also, add in the fact that they were purposefully demolishing Gaza block by block. There were empty areas and they would just level them. The signs were there the whole time, but some chose to ignore them.
And, I'm saying it now. This isn't over. Israel is only getting started. It's all part of their plan to take over the land and wipe out the Palestinians from there.
 
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