Yikes that’s an embarrassing take.10/7 started all of this. Without it, there would have been no major war in Gaza.
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Yikes that’s an embarrassing take.10/7 started all of this. Without it, there would have been no major war in Gaza.
Lots of maga and Good Germans.lmao. why do several pages in this thread only have like 5 posts?
were that many posts deleted or is this thread full of our resident maga window lickers who i have on super ignore trying to defend the indefensible?
So you think that Israel had plans to launch a multi-year long invasion of Gaza on 10/8 and 10/7 was just a coincidence?Yikes that’s an embarrassing take.
Learn some history, gain some context.
I don't disagree with you about the aftermath of 10/7, although I think Israel did some things that I would consider to be outside the bounds of international norms. That said, the Palestinians bear a lot of the blame for allowing Hamas to operate as they did. But Israel shoulders a lot of blame for their treatment of the Palestinians prior to 10/7. There are no good guys here, but there are a lot of victims. Regardless of any of that, the idea that a solution is to forcibly remove millions of people from their homeland is asinine.Agree 100%, but without 10/7 there is no 10/8. Just like without 9/11 there is no invasion of Afghanistan (or Iraq). There were root causes of 9/11 just like there were root causes of 10/7, but without those two seminal events the major military incursions afterwards simply don't happen.
I don't believe 10/7 was the start. That was an explosion caused by a build up of unresolved issues.That’s kind of crazy to say in totality. The whole thing started with 10/7.
The date was uncertain but they started the plot with the pagers some time ago. I think that Israel had figured that if they kept pushing them around enough that they would do something like what happened out of desperation which would give them the excuse to do all this. So I feel sure that the date was totally coincidental.So you think that Israel had plans to launch a multi-year long invasion of Gaza on 10/8 and 10/7 was just a coincidence?
They can look at the time maps of the expansion of Isreal. Who is always on the loosing end of that expansion?It's way more complicated than that. 10/7 was a horrific event and the Palestinians share a great deal of blame for the position they are in, but Israel has done terrible things as well. You can't just ignore everything that happened before 10/7. That's not a justification, just a recognition of the reality of that situation.
Israel knew that Hamas would eventually do something, and Netanyahu allowed it to happen. Does it not seem weird that the strongest intelligence agency in the world, that is surveilling at region 24/7 and controls the borders of it, doesn't know an attack was being planned? There were plenty of warning signs and they were ignored. Add in the facts that Netanyahu was funding Hamas and helped block elections from happening and it makes it more obvious. He might not have known the scale of the attack, or that it would occur the same time a music festival was happening, but he knew something was coming. He had the built in excuse to do what he did. Also, after their response started, wasn't it strange that Netanyahu and his far right goons turned down ceasefire after ceasefire agreement, but then abruptly did a 180 once Trump promised them the land and they accepted the same deal that was offered nearly a year earlier? Also, add in the fact that they were purposefully demolishing Gaza block by block. There were empty areas and they would just level them. The signs were there the whole time, but some chose to ignore them.So you think that Israel had plans to launch a multi-year long invasion of Gaza on 10/8 and 10/7 was just a coincidence?
lmao. why do several pages in this thread only have like 5 posts?
were that many posts deleted or is this thread full of our resident maga window lickers who i have on super ignore trying to defend the indefensible?
To refer to 10/7 as the “start” of anything in some kind of vacuum is asinine. If you don’t grasp that, there’s no point in me or anyone engaging with you further.So you think that Israel had plans to launch a multi-year long invasion of Gaza on 10/8 and 10/7 was just a coincidence?
Isreal needed a trigger that would make the rest of the world accept their plans.Israel knew that Hamas would eventually do something, and Netanyahu allowed it to happen. Does it not seem weird that the strongest intelligence agency in the world, that is surveilling at region 24/7 and controls the borders of it, doesn't know an attack was being planned? There were plenty of warning signs and they were ignored. Add in the facts that Netanyahu was funding Hamas and helped block elections from happening and it makes it more obvious. He might not have known the scale of the attack, or that it would occur the same time a music festival was happening, but he knew something was coming. He had the built in excuse to do what he did. Also, after their response started, wasn't it strange that Netanyahu and his far right goons turned down ceasefire after ceasefire agreement, but then abruptly did a 180 once Trump promised them the land and they accepted the same deal that was offered nearly a year earlier? Also, add in the fact that they were purposefully demolishing Gaza block by block. There were empty areas and they would just level them. The signs were there the whole time, but some chose to ignore them.
And, I'm saying it now. This isn't over. Israel is only getting started. It's all part of their plan to take over the land and wipe out the Palestinians from there.
Ahhh, the old conspiracy angle. Kind of like how people believe that 9/11 was a secret evil plot by GWB. Not really convincing, sorry. And, to quote your post earlier, reeks of "blaming the victim."Israel knew that Hamas would eventually do something, and Netanyahu allowed it to happen. Does it not seem weird that the strongest intelligence agency in the world, that is surveilling at region 24/7 and controls the borders of it, doesn't know an attack was being planned? There were plenty of warning signs and they were ignored. Add in the facts that Netanyahu was funding Hamas and helped block elections from happening and it makes it more obvious. He might not have known the scale of the attack, or that it would occur the same time a music festival was happening, but he knew something was coming. He had the built in excuse to do what he did. Also, after their response started, wasn't it strange that Netanyahu and his far right goons turned down ceasefire after ceasefire agreement, but then abruptly did a 180 once Trump promised them the land and they accepted the same deal that was offered nearly a year earlier? Also, add in the fact that they were purposefully demolishing Gaza block by block. There were empty areas and they would just level them. The signs were there the whole time, but some chose to ignore them.
And, I'm saying it now. This isn't over. Israel is only getting started. It's all part of their plan to take over the land and wipe out the Palestinians from there.
To argue that 10/8 happens without 10/7 is peak head-in-the-sand mindset. I agree, no sense to engage any further with that kind of revisionist lunacy.To refer to 10/7 as the “start” of anything in some kind of vacuum is asinine. If you don’t grasp that, there’s no point in me or anyone engaging with you further.
Israel was paying Hamas to essentially keep the peace and not do anything stupid. Hamas couldn't even do that right. Israel probably would have tolerated a suicide bombing or continued rocket attacks with limited reprisals, but with something the scale of 10/7 there was no way that Israel could do anything other than a major response.The date was uncertain but they started the plot with the pagers some time ago. I think that Israel had figured that if they kept pushing them around enough that they would do something like what happened out of desperation which would give them the excuse to do all this. So I feel sure that the date was totally coincidental.
Hamas was trying to start WWIII plain and simple.Israel was paying Hamas to essentially keep the peace and not do anything stupid. Hamas couldn't even do that right. Israel probably would have tolerated a suicide bombing or continued rocket attacks with limited reprisals, but with something the scale of 10/7 there was no way that Israel could do anything other than a major response.
The point of contention, underlying the entire circumstance, is Netanyahu's fierce resistance to a Palestinian state.Israel was paying Hamas to essentially keep the peace and not do anything stupid. Hamas couldn't even do that right. Israel probably would have tolerated a suicide bombing or continued rocket attacks with limited reprisals, but with something the scale of 10/7 there was no way that Israel could do anything other than a major response.
Netanyayu and Hamas are both war mongering fucksHamas was trying to start WWIII plain and simple.