Trump47 First Week & Beyond Catch-All

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UNCatTech said:
Doesn't matter.

He is the president why can't he act like an adult?
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Is this 2015? - because we've been having this same discussion about Trump for 10 years. We get it, he's often crude, rude and counterpunches on Twitter/X. Even a lot of his supporters don't particularly like it but it's part of the package.
 
finesse said:
Have you actually ever read any of the Bible? Where did you get that twisted theology from? It bears no relationship to anything Jesus ever said.
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The only things I really attributed to Jesus were "King of the Jews" and the belief that he would be ruler of his 12 disciples, who would be rulers of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Both of those are in the Bible.

Mark 15:26
And the superscription of His accusation was written above: The King Of The Jews.

This claim likely came from Judas, since Judas was the rat, not because Jesus actually referred to himself as King of the Jews.

Matthew 19:28
"Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel".

Luke 22: 28-30
28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

If you're questioning my interpretation of the Bible or the cause of Jesus being target by the Roman leaders, that's fine. Like I said above, in most cases, if not all, there's not one definitive interpretations of any given Bible verse.

There's also the question of what Jesus actually said vs what the writers of the gospels said he said.
 
Ramrouser said:
Is this 2015? - because we've been having this same discussion about Trump for 10 years. We get it, he's often crude, rude and counterpunches on Twitter/X. Even a lot of his supporters don't particularly like it but it's part of the package.
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Do you care to address the multiple questions that have been addressed to you by multiple posters about how and why you, as a Christian, believe that POTUS is somehow above hearing the messaging of Christ? I could have sworn in all of my Sunday school lessons I've never heard that the President of the United States is immune to being taught Christ's words.
 
ZenMode said:
The only things I really attributed to Jesus were "King of the Jews" and the belief that he would be ruler of his 12 disciples, who would be rulers of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

Both of those are in the Bible.

Mark 15:26
And the superscription of His accusation was written above: The King Of The Jews.

This claim likely came from Judas, since Judas was the rat, not because Jesus actually referred to himself as King of the Jews.

Matthew 19:28
"Truly, I say to you, in the new world, when the Son of Man will sit on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel".

Luke 22: 28-30
28 You are those who have stood by me in my trials. 29 And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred one on me, 30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

If you're questioning my interpretation of the Bible or the cause of Jesus being target by the Roman leaders, that's fine. Like I said above, in most cases, if not all, there's not one definitive interpretations of any given Bible verse.
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I don't think we are questioning your interpretation of the Bible or the cause of Jesus's execution. I think we are questioning your understanding the term 'activist' and how and why you believe that it does not apply to Jesus.
 
If Jesus was not an activist, what does that make MLK, Ghandi, Bhudda, Muhammad? Pure middle management, keeping their heads down, not making waves.
 
CFordUNC said:
I don't think we are questioning your interpretation of the Bible or the cause of Jesus's execution. I think we are questioning your understanding the term 'activist' and how and why you believe that it does not apply to Jesus.
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I probably should have said "political activist", which is what you made reference to in separate parts. I don't think he was a political figure. He was a prophet, preaching the end of times and the things he thought would get people saved (grace, compassion, helping your fellow man, etc), whose actions sometimes caused him to intersect with politics and politicians.
 
CFordUNC said:
Do you care to address the multiple questions that have been addressed to you by multiple posters about how and why you, as a Christian, believe that POTUS is somehow above hearing the messaging of Christ?
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I thought that has been answered long ago.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with POTUS hearing the message and teachings of Christ. That's the purpose of a religious service he was attending. Bodde used selective messages of Christ to support HER political beliefs and to lecture the POTUS at a ceremonial service as part of the Inauguration.

Many don't like it when Evangelical preachers use selective verses of Christ to support THEIR conservative beliefs. In many cases, I don't either.

She could have preached the sermon - with the same teachings - and left our the activist lecture and it would have had greater effect. Why not let the listener connect the dots? Instead, she went all Joy Reid on POTUS.
 
Ramrouser said:
I thought that has been answered long ago.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with POTUS hearing the message and teachings of Christ. That's the purpose of a religious service he was attending. Bodde used selective messages of Christ to support HER political beliefs and to lecture the POTUS at a ceremonial service as part of the Inauguration.

Many don't like it when Evangelical preachers use selective verses of Christ to support THEIR conservative beliefs. In many cases, I don't either.

She could have preached the sermon - with the same teachings - and left our the activist lecture and it would have had greater effect. Why not let the listener connect the dots? Instead, she went all Joy Reid on POTUS.
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Maybe it would help if you pointed us to the anti-immigrant, America First parts of the gospels that she should have included in her comments?
 
ZenMode said:
I probably should have said "political activist", which is what you made reference to in separate parts. I don't think he was a political figure. He was a prophet, preaching the end of times and the things he thought would get people saved (grace, compassion, helping your fellow man, etc), whose actions sometimes caused him to intersect with politics and politicians.
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But I never said that Jesus was a political figure, in the sense of being a politician. I said that He was an activist- and provided demonstrable evidence of his activism- whose activism put Him directly in the crosshairs of the Roman state who ordered and carried out his execution. Whether Jesus was a social activist or a political activist seems to me to be a distinction without a difference considering that he was executed by the state either way.
 
Ramrouser said:
I thought that has been answered long ago.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with POTUS hearing the message and teachings of Christ. That's the purpose of a religious service he was attending. Bodde used selective messages of Christ to support HER political beliefs and to lecture the POTUS at a ceremonial service as part of the Inauguration.

Many don't like it when Evangelical preachers use selective verses of Christ to support THEIR conservative beliefs. In many cases, I don't either.

She could have preached the sermon - with the same teachings - and left our the activist lecture and it would have had greater effect. Why not let the listener connect the dots? Instead, she went all Joy Reid on POTUS.
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So it's your position that it's wrong for a person to speak to the president about values? Very on brand for you. In the real world, the president is a public servant. It's literally his job to listen to the people and make policy as the leader of a system of self-government.

But he wants to be king, and apparently you want that as well. And of course, one doesn't talk to the king like that.
 
Ramrouser said:
I thought that has been answered long ago.

Of course, there is nothing wrong with POTUS hearing the message and teachings of Christ. That's the purpose of a religious service he was attending. Bodde used selective messages of Christ to support HER political beliefs and to lecture the POTUS at a ceremonial service as part of the Inauguration.

Many don't like it when Evangelical preachers use selective verses of Christ to support THEIR conservative beliefs. In many cases, I don't either.

She could have preached the sermon - with the same teachings - and left our the activist lecture and it would have had greater effect. Why not let the listener connect the dots? Instead, she went all Joy Reid on POTUS.
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I appreciate your response. I suspose the onus is on you to figure out whether you believe the actual written words of the God whom you claim to worship (the things about love, mercy, compassion, kindness, generosity, care for the sick, help for the poor, embrace of the immigrant, etc.), or believe the things that He *DIDN'T* say (things about abortion, gay marriage, hating immigrants, American exceptionalism, etc.).
 
CFordUNC said:
But I never said that Jesus was a political figure, in the sense of being a politician. I said that He was an activist- and provided demonstrable evidence of his activism- whose activism put Him directly in the crosshairs of the Roman state who ordered and carried out his execution. Whether Jesus was a social activist or a political activist seems to me to be a distinction without a difference considering that he was executed by the state either way.
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Ok, then we largely agree. One of your first posts, you used "political figure", which was what I mostly took issue with.
 
ZenMode said:
I probably should have said "political activist", which is what you made reference to in separate parts. I don't think he was a political figure. He was a prophet, preaching the end of times and the things he thought would get people saved (grace, compassion, helping your fellow man, etc), whose actions sometimes caused him to intersect with politics and politicians.
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So you're saying he wasn't a political figure, but the Romans killed him because he was being called the King of the Jews? I'm confused.
 
lawtig02 said:
Maybe it would help if you pointed us to the anti-immigrant, America First parts of the gospels that she should have included in her comments?
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"Render unto Caesar"
Or, not a Gospel, but

Romans 13: 1-2
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

In other words: FOLLOW THE LAW.
 
lawtig02 said:
So you're saying he wasn't a political figure, but the Romans killed him because he was being called the King of the Jews? I'm confused.
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Being a prophet, who is viewed (because of Judas) as a threat by political leadership, isn't the same as being an actual political figure who is viewed as a threat by political leadership.
 
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Ramrouser said:
"Render unto Caesar"
Or, not a Gospel, but

Romans 13: 1-2
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

In other words: FOLLOW THE LAW.
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So the guy who voted for the felon says follow the law.

I just fucking can't with you
 
Ramrouser said:
"Render unto Caesar"
Or, not a Gospel, but

Romans 13: 1-2
"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."

In other words: FOLLOW THE LAW.
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^^^^^This is where the downward spiral begins.^^^^^

Whatever you want to find in the Bible, you can find. Not that you're wrong, by any means, but the argument for enforcing a national border, because it's a law, can be supported by the Bible depending on how you interpret specific verses.

Christians can go back and forth and never come to agreement.
 
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