Trump47 Foreign Policy Catch-All | Vance in Munich

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Bobfripp said:
The cabinet she would have assembled would be light years better than the morons Trump has assembled in his cabinet. That alone would have given her a huge advantage with dealing with Putin and Jinping. Instead we get Trump, Vance and Hegseth throwing Ukraine under the bus, and cozying up to AfD and Putin.
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I think the cabinet would have been much the same and her policies would have just been pretty much that of the last 4 years. She struggled very much in the election to articulate much of any position different than Biden’s, especially in foreign policy. Probably should wait until an agreement before saying he threw Ukraine under the bus.
 
Gmonet said:
Yes. In the last four years, Russia has been shown to be a second rate power due to our support of Ukraine. China is imploding demographically and likely financially due to bank insolvency and real estate collapse. All we have to do is stand firm and not step on our own damn dicks and they will fall helplessly behind. It doesn't take a genius to win given our overwhelming strength, but a complete jackass who fosters strife internally, economically and with our allies might just be able to fuck it up.
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I think there is more to being a world leader for the next hundred years than just doing nothing and maintaining the status quo.
 
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Perhaps, but when you have the largest (and far most sound relative to any near peers) economy, and near total military dominance, the status quo ain't so bad. And certainly not worth screwing around with by creating unnecessary political and economic friction that could upend that very favorable status quo.

We are stronger relative to the rest of the world than we were four years ago. Our largest geopolitical rivals have far greater headwinds than we do. We hardly needed to be 'rescued'.
 
Callatoroy said:
I think the cabinet would have been much the same and her policies would have just been pretty much that of the last 4 years.
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Which is infinitely better than what we have now. Or have you been ignoring all the news about mass illegal firings, open public corruption and solicitation of quids pro quo, theft of data, theft of money, illegally withheld money, unconstitutional collapse of agencies, disregard of court orders, release of classified information, unknown amounts of malware inserted into the government computing systems (if for no other reason than the fucking morons left the database exposed to the internet for hours upon hours)?

Oh, right. You're the piece of shit who actually approves of revenge prosecutions because he's too stupid to comprehend anything but "go team" and too dishonest to admit that he's been wrong.
 
lawtig02 said:
Of course Biden did. Are you saying the US was on the same geopolitical level as Russia and China on January 20 at 11:59am? Biden was far from perfect, but he was a fine steward of America’s role as the global superpower.
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I’m saying world leaders are “respected or feared” such that you don’t have 2 allies invaded by enemies unless they don’t respect and fear that leadership and sense weakness. I don’t think the Biden / Harris team projected strength, do you? I also think China’s role as a world leader and influencer grew while ours shrunk.
 
Gmonet said:
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Perhaps, but when you have the largest (and far most sound relative to any near peers) economy, and near total military dominance, the status quo ain't so bad. And certainly not worth screwing around with by creating unnecessary political and economic friction that could upend that very favorable status quo.

We are stronger relative to the rest of the world than we were four years ago. Our largest geopolitical rivals have far greater headwinds than we do. We hardly needed to be 'rescued'.
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Not intended as an insult but I despise the status quo. If you aren’t growing, getting more efficient and lean, and driving development you are going backwards. I definitely think china’s role as a leader on the world stage grew and ours took a step back. I agree we don’t need to be “rescued”. But she would have had us stagnant and possibly looking at China visiting Taiwan without an invitation.
 
We have been growing. Must faster than near peers. And we are most certainly leading development. Fomenting trade wars and creating labor shortages sure as hell isn't going to help our economy grow.

What has China done in the past four years that would make you say that? The implosion of Evergreen? The lockdowns that made our modest COVID regs look like a frat party? The revelations that they are in the midst of demographic collapse? And the best way to extend an invitation to China w/r/t Taiwan would be to reward aggression in Ukraine. Pretty sure Harris wouldn't have done that, but it is certainly looking as if the current admin is trending in that direction.
 
Consumption growth that outpaced peers (was worst among peers under Trump 1.0)
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Strong labor force participation (and big relative improvement from Trump 1.0)
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Impressive relative inflation reduction (after Trump 1.0 had us leading the pack by the end of his term)
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Outstanding attraction of capital investment
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Callatoroy said:
I’m saying world leaders are “respected or feared” such that you don’t have 2 allies invaded by enemies unless they don’t respect and fear that leadership and sense weakness. I don’t think the Biden / Harris team projected strength, do you? I also think China’s role as a world leader and influencer grew while ours shrunk.
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Biden/Harris strengthened NATO, whereas Trump has massively undermined it. Biden/Harris opposed Putin’s expansionism, whereas Trump is encouraging it. Biden/Harris have made us less reliant on China for key parts of our economy, whereas Trump’s tariffs and foreign policy bullying and unpredictability is driving much of the world into China’s arms. Biden maintained strong relations with our most important allies — Canada and Mexico — whereas Trump is picking completely idiotic fights with them just to look “tough.”

So you may be right that the status quo is not sufficient. But holy shit, if you’re going to change the status quo, change it by strengthening our ties with our ideological allies, not by alienating them and cuddling up to the Kremlin instead. What Trump is doing is mindblowingly stupid. And anyone who’s not an apologist for authoritarianism sees that clearly.
 


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The moves reflect the swift change in the balance of power after Israel, which struggled for months to contain militia attacks around its borders, has scored a string of military victories against Iran-backed forces that has given its troops much greater freedom of action.

Israel has already delayed its withdrawal from Lebanon by nearly a month, citing the need to dismantle Hezbollah’s positions in the south. It is now seeking to delay it by another 10 days, to Feb. 28.

The deputy U.S. special envoy to the Middle East, Morgan Ortagus, said last week the U.S. remained committed to the withdrawal date of Feb. 18. The U.S. Embassy in Beirut declined to comment Friday on the recent requests by Israel and the negotiations.…”
 
Clock ticking on Trump’s Noon deadline today for Hamas to release all hostages or else.



 

German Chancellor Rebukes Vance for Supporting Party That Downplays Nazis​

At the Munich Security Conference, Olaf Scholz accused the U.S. vice president of unacceptable interference in Germany’s coming elections.

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A day after Mr. Vance stunned the Munich Security Conference by telling German leaders to drop their so-called firewall and allow the hard-right Alternative for Germany, or AfD, to enter their federal government, Mr. Scholz accused Mr. Vance of effectively violating a commitment to never again allow Germany to be led by fascists who could repeat the horrors of the Holocaust.

“A commitment to ‘never again’ is not reconcilable with support for the AfD,” Mr. Scholz said at the conference on Saturday morning, in an address opening the gathering’s second day.

Mr. Scholz said the AfD had trivialized Nazi atrocities like the concentration camp at Dachau, which Mr. Vance visited on Friday. The chancellor said Germany “would not accept” directives from outsiders about how to run its democracy — and certainly not to work with such a party.

“That is not done, certainly not among friends and allies,” Mr. Scholz said. “Where our democracy goes from here is for us to decide.”

Mr. Scholz was joined in his criticism later Saturday by Friedrich Merz, his rival as the chancellor candidate for the conservative Christian Democrats, whom polls suggest is the favorite to be Germany’s next leader.

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No party in the German Parliament will join with the AfD to form a government. Parts of the AfD have been classified as extremist by German intelligence. Some of its members have been convicted of violating German law against the use of Nazi slogans. Others have been arrested for trying to overthrow the federal government.

That collective shunning of the AfD and other extremist parties is known as the firewall. Mr. Vance took aim at it on Friday, saying the AfD and other hard-right parties across Europe represented legitimate voter concerns about high levels of migration into European countries from the Middle East and elsewhere.

“There is no room for firewalls,” Mr. Vance said.

Attendees at Mr. Vance’s speech on Friday had been expecting to hear details of the Trump administration’s plans for Ukraine peace talks and NATO defense policies. Instead, they heard the vice president call restrictions on free speech a greater threat to Europe than military aggression from Russia or China. …”
 
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