Trump’s plan against the deep state

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LeoBloom said:
Of course they are going to implement Project 2025. That was always the plan. Trump lied, as he always does.

My gosh, Nick Fuentes and others are already posting crap like "your body, my choice, forever" to women. This is the same Nick Fuentes Trump hosted at Mara Lago.
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Hopefully during his first attempted rape a good woman with a gun helps him understand that it isn't his choice.
 
OGtruthhurts said:
Lmao in other words hes gonna play golf almost every day and make himself and his family hundreds of million more like he did first go round.
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OG is one of those idiots that was probably laughing at the doomsayers when Trump was elected in 2016. Of course, that was before hundreds of thousands of Americans died due to his mishandling of Covid and before he sent a mob of his inbred cultists to attempt to overthrow our election.

But yeah, this time we should be fine. Only four more years with better knowledge of legal and governmental loopholes to pass his agenda, no responsible staff in place to serve as guardrails in case he goes too far, no reelection bid to quell his crazier notions of government, and now with a popular vote mandate to enact every piece of racist and sexist policy he wants because the citizens of this country voted for him and, by definition, Project 2025.

We should be fine.
 
uncjhodges said:
And how does replacing the civil service and DOJ with Trump loyalists solve or improve that problem?
Does making the guy who tweeted that liberals should suffer AG make it less political?
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My question wasn't answered.

But to answer yours it would be impossible to replace all the civil service and doj employees. But they can replace key employees. A situation where you have key people who aren't elected officials working to undermine a political campaign or working to undermine a president isn't tenable and should be criminal.

Doesn't make it less political it makes it politically different. And to clarify, it wasn't all liberals. It was liberals who targeted trump. A cabinet official, i.e. an extension of trump doing something politically motivated is different from a bureaucrat.
 
Callatoroy said:
My question wasn't answered.

But to answer yours it would be impossible to replace all the civil service and doj employees. But they can replace key employees. A situation where you have key people who aren't elected officials working to undermine a political campaign or working to undermine a president isn't tenable and should be criminal.

Doesn't make it less political it makes it politically different. And to clarify, it wasn't all liberals. It was liberals who targeted trump. A cabinet official, i.e. an extension of trump doing something politically motivated is different from a bureaucrat.
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Nobody ever targeted Trump you irredeemably stupid man. They targeted the campaign because the campaign was full of criminals.
 
Callatoroy said:
My question wasn't answered.

But to answer yours it would be impossible to replace all the civil service and doj employees. But they can replace key employees. A situation where you have key people who aren't elected officials working to undermine a political campaign or working to undermine a president isn't tenable and should be criminal.

Doesn't make it less political it makes it politically different. And to clarify, it wasn't all liberals. It was liberals who targeted trump. A cabinet official, i.e. an extension of trump doing something politically motivated is different from a bureaucrat.
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So like a DOJ/FBI employee that was investigating candidate trumps Servers that were in regular contact with Russia ?
 
Callatoroy said:
So what level of proof do you need to get that fisa warrant?
If you are the judge and you find out that you were misled or lied to what do you do? Oh well?
How do you ensure accountability?
Do your politics have any sway as to what is legitimate or not?
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fisa created by pubs
 
Callatoroy said:
On the surface yes. But not when those agencies have a political agenda. The important question is what is done when that agency abuses its power driven by its political agenda? How do you think that should be addressed?
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It should be addressed after the fact, just like malfeasance by any law enforcement agency. And I think you’ll agree that the bar should be at least as high as it is for police officers that kill unarmed citizens.
 
Trump to replace unelected bureaucrats with unelected bureaucrats loyal only to him
 
Paine said:
I don’t think Republicans will like it when the shoe is on the other foot and a populist Democratic president is able to replace every bureaucrat as they see fit.
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You’ll be lucky to see that in your lifetime, much less the median poster on this board.
 
HeelingAg said:
You’ll be lucky to see that in your lifetime, much less the median poster on this board.
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The only way I’m going to get through these years is by optimism. So I’m just trying my best to put that out there in the universe.

We are going to face big challenges. But we can come out of this stronger on the other side and with a better society. People have been through worse before.
 
Paine said:
The only way I’m going to get through these years is by optimism. So I’m just trying my best to put that out there in the universe.

We are going to face big challenges. But we can come out of this stronger on the other side and with a better society. People have been through worse before.
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I hear you. You're young. People say that "having kids makes you more conservative" which is bullshit, but what it does do is raise the stakes of politics. By the time climate change gets really bad, I'll probably be dead or too old to care about myself -- but my kids are a different story. And because that's out of my control to such a great extent, it creates a lot of emotion. If optimism helps you get through tough times, I'm all for that. Do what you need to do.

But I would counsel one thing: be prepared for the worst. And I don't mean the worst that you can imagine. I mean things worse than you can imagine. That's the consistent experience we've had with Trump: he is worse than most of us could have imagined. In 2017, I anticipated many of the horrible things he would do. But I didn't anticipate that he would be so cruel as to separate kids from their parents. That he would have people in his cabinet to enact such cruelty.

And I certainly didn't anticipate, in 2016, that he would actually foment an insurrection. I knew he wasn't going to accept defeat, and thus I expected his BS lawsuits and conspiracies. I didn't anticipate that he would lead a mob intending to kill or capture members of Congress so that he could attempt to engineer a coup. And I certainly didn't anticipate that the US Supreme Court would give him immunity for that.

I knew Trump was a fucking idiot, but I didn't expect him to start talking about how the 1890s were the best and most prosperous period of American history. I knew he was a totalitarian at heart, but I didn't expect him to start talking about the 1798 Alien Act. I didn't expect him to be claiming that Venezeulan gangs were conquering towns all over the Midwest. I didn't expect the "they're eating the pets." I didn't anticipate him calling America a garbage dump.

So whatever you think will happen in the next four years, I'd advise steeling yourself for the possibility that you can't foresee the horror that awaits us. It's not necessarily horror in the Khmer Rouge sense. Trump is the living embodiment of Marx's statement about how history repeats itself first as tragedy and then as farce. Hitler never dressed up like a traffic cone and rode around in a dump truck and he certainly didn't fellate a microphone. But farcical things can still be horrific.
 
Paine said:
The only way I’m going to get through these years is by optimism. So I’m just trying my best to put that out there in the universe.

We are going to face big challenges. But we can come out of this stronger on the other side and with a better society. People have been through worse before.
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People have been through worse before and we are about to go through much worse. And that much worse will become progressively worse. The damn is broken and the only thing now is to wait for the floodwaters to wash it all away, recede, and then start over. I'm hopeful that your children will know a better country by their adulthood.

The rest of us around here will never see it I'm afraid.
 
wmheel1287 said:
People have been through worse before and we are about to go through much worse. And that much worse will become progressively worse. The damn is broken and the only thing now is to wait for the floodwaters to wash it all away, recede, and then start over. I'm hopeful that your children will know a better country by their adulthood.

The rest of us around here will never see it I'm afraid.
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I don’t think there’s any point it sitting around a sulking about it. I’m not trying to downplay it because I know all the horrible things that the Republican Party wants to do. Fascism thrives on cynicism. Those of us who plan to stay tuned in and organize for our communities need a healthy cynicism, but there is a fine line between that and wallowing.
 
Yeah, I still got the same stuff to take care of tomorrow that I did Monday and Tuesday didn't change that. Been through enough bad stuff that I know that's the best thing to do.
 
finesse said:
Yeah, I still got the same stuff to take care of tomorrow that I did Monday and Tuesday didn't change that. Been through enough bad stuff that I know that's the best thing to do.
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Yep. At a certain level we just need to focus in on our immediate families and communities and start building solidarity from the ground up.
 
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