Ukraine War | Zelensky seeks NATO guarantees for unoccupied Ukraine for peace

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Callatoroy said:
So the entire war has been conducted under biden's watch but its the gop that's at fault here. Ok, makes sense. And how much debt should the US incur to prevent russia from taking a square inch given that this can go on for another 10, 15 years or more because we aren't going to break russia or prevent them from taking that inch without actually going to war.
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We've spent like $200 billion over 3 years in Ukraine. Acting like we are adding to our debt is the response of a dolt. Our annual defense budget is $800 billion. Russia's economy is crashing and if the Saudi's decide to flood the market with oil like they've been foreshadowing then it will only get worse for them. People like you were saying Russia would win in three days when this war started. Honestly if it weren't for the tragedy occurring to the people of Ukraine one of the best ways we could spend defense dollars is to keep Russia mired in an endless war that decimates their population, depletes their military and crushes their economy. As long as Ukraine wants to fight we should support them.
 
finesse said:
Since this last attack by Russia we have spent about the same amount in the Ukraine as we have spent in day to day operations for our carrier forces over two years.. I think we have probably gotten more for our dollar from the Ukraine.
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Weapons have a shelf live. At the end if that life, it costs a lot of money to decommission them. If we are now just sending the soon to be expired weapons to Ukraine and Ukraine shoots them into Russia, then that is a significant cost savings for the US.
 
From a strategic and dollars point of view, our assisting Ukraine in this war is a pretty great deal. We have three threats in this world. Middle East, China, and Russia. The bloody nose Ukraine is giving Russia knocks one of those threats out for the next ten to fifteen years. So that's the strategic benefit.

And with one less threat to worry about, that saves dollars.

Plus, would think China might be a little more timid seeing how this is going for Russia.

Come to think of it, its really a bad thing for Trump to end this war.
 
BlueSmoke said:
From a strategic and dollars point of view, our assisting Ukraine in this war is a pretty great deal. We have three threats in this world. Middle East, China, and Russia. The bloody nose Ukraine is giving Russia knocks one of those threats out for the next ten to fifteen years. So that's the strategic benefit.

And with one less threat to worry about, that saves dollars.

Plus, would think China might be a little more timid seeing how this is going for Russia.

Come to think of it, its really a bad thing for Trump to end this war.
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The other benefit that's been discussed here before that MAGA cult members always ignore is that we're sending them our older munitions that will need to be decommissioned at some point anyway and employing Americans while keeping our defense industry active replenishing arms we'd have to replace whether we got any benefit out of them or not. It's just so infuriating having to deal with these myopic dullards.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think its rhetorical. Most of the post is. I don't think there's much to the foreign agent, Russian hookers or flat earth stuff. Anti-Vax is kind of a lie down with dogs and get fleas type of thing. But Alex Jones supporting conspiracy theorist? Oh yes. Dude went from a very well respected general to a conspiracy loon in pretty short order and then Trump decided to bring him into the cabinet and then kick him to the curb a month later.
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He registered as a foreign agent and acted as one and got paid as one.
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Our resolve is a totally different argument. If it lasts
BlueSmoke said:
From a strategic and dollars point of view, our assisting Ukraine in this war is a pretty great deal. We have three threats in this world. Middle East, China, and Russia. The bloody nose Ukraine is giving Russia knocks one of those threats out for the next ten to fifteen years. So that's the strategic benefit.

And with one less threat to worry about, that saves dollars.

Plus, would think China might be a little more timid seeing how this is going for Russia.

Come to think of it, its really a bad thing for Trump to end this war.
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There's an optimistic part of me that thinks Trump may stick with it. Not because he gives a fuck one way or the other, but because it would tend to erode/end the impression he is Putin's sock puppet. And at this point, I'm not really certain what leverage Putin could have over him. Even if a piss tape came out today, it would be almost irrelevant concerning Trump's future. You know for an egomaniac that making Putin bend the knee (or ending Putin altogether) would be the ultimate high.
 
Batt Boy said:
He registered as a foreign agent and acted as one and got paid as one.
apnews.com

Former Trump aide Flynn says lobbying may have helped Turkey

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, who was fired from his prominent White House job last month, has registered with the Justice Department as a foreign agent for $530,000 worth of lobbying work before Election Day that may have aided the Turki
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Okay. You are right. He was a registered foreign agent.
 
Gmonet said:
Our resolve is a totally different argument. If it lasts

There's an optimistic part of me that thinks Trump may stick with it. Not because he gives a fuck one way or the other, but because it would tend to erode/end the impression he is Putin's sock puppet. And at this point, I'm not really certain what leverage Putin could have over him. Even if a piss tape came out today, it would be almost irrelevant concerning Trump's future. You know for an egomaniac that making Putin bend the knee (or ending Putin altogether) would be the ultimate high.
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Continuing the optimistic thinking: I believe (and hope) Zelenskyy is setting Trump up to appeal to his vanity as the one to be the hero. Don't know the angle, but I bet Zelenskyy is working on it.

Now to dovetail your thought, it won't take Trump long to realize that making peace is harder then he thought. Just don't think Ukraine is going to roll over on this. Mainly because they can't. Then Trump will get tired and lose interest. Or he might turn on Putin a bit. Yep, its a dream.

Oh and you are right. The relationship has changed. Trump may no longer see himself subservient to Putin. Maybe Zelenskyy can play off that.
 
Batt Boy said:
He registered as a foreign agent and acted as one and got paid as one.
apnews.com

Former Trump aide Flynn says lobbying may have helped Turkey

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump's former national security adviser, Michael Flynn, who was fired from his prominent White House job last month, has registered with the Justice Department as a foreign agent for $530,000 worth of lobbying work before Election Day that may have aided the Turki
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Don’t let that get in the way of reflexive whitewashing.
 
Callatoroy said:
Zelensky has already lost some gop congressional support and he knows that will only get worse as the new g'ment takes over and trump doesn't have the appetite for this long term.
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Oh, you think he lost congressional support? Did you infer that from the GOP's refusal to send any aid to Ukraine until it was paired legislatively with aid to Israel and even then it was held up for like half a year.

The GOP is the primary cause -- other than the invasion itself, of course -- of Ukraine's current predicament.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Okay. You are right. He was a registered foreign agent.
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And before that, he was a foreign agent who hadn't registered, and was charged with a crime. The registration came later and was retroactive. I'm not sure why that "oops, I forgot to register" defense is out there, but that's my recollection of what happened.

It was during her representation of Flynn on the registration charges that Sidney Powell became radicalized.
 
superrific said:
Oh, you think he lost congressional support? Did you infer that from the GOP's refusal to send any aid to Ukraine until it was paired legislatively with aid to Israel and even then it was held up for like half a year.

The GOP is the primary cause -- other than the invasion itself, of course -- of Ukraine's current predicament.
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I would argue it was because of a weak and mentally challenged biden that emboldened putin to act after trump left office.
 
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