UNC Basketball Possible coaches

Sheetsfaced said:
Another name that surely has 0% chance but nonetheless I'm surprised I've not seen mentioned anywhere is Steve Kerr. He's a FA at the end of the season, and I think there's a decent chance he's not coaching the Warriors next season. He's the same age as Billy Donovan, in fact 6 months younger.
I think there's no shot he would take the job, but he did play with Jordan, and Stackhouse is currently one of his assistants. Would be funny though if UNC hired Tommy Lloyd and Kerr went back to his alma mater and coached Arizona.

I think if he's not coaching the Warriors next year he takes a year off to do TV before deciding if he wants to coach again. He's definitely had some health issues so not sure how much desire he has to continue to coach.
Click to expand...
He doesn’t get mentioned because it’s probably well known in his circles that he has zero desire to ever coach in college.
 
The family hire discussion always drives home just how lucky we were to have Roy waiting in the wings lol.

In general I don’t think it’s wise for a top program to force an alum hire unless they also happen to be a highly coveted coach in their own right, like Roy with UNC, Kirby Smart with UGA, or Jim Harbaugh with Michigan. The pressure is going to be high from the jump, and if you try to force it with a coach that isn’t ready for the position then it just sets up for a messy ending.

I think prioritizing the connection with the school actually makes more sense for lower tier programs that have to work harder to generate fan interest and want to guard against their coaches getting poached by bigger programs if they’re successful. Vandy hiring Clark Lea is a recent example that comes to mind.
 
rodoheel said:
I think "virtually guaranteed" is a little aggressive on the chances of UNC's seat at the big boy table. I have heard all the same reporting that we're the most attractive option for the P2 should they decide to expand further. But the college sports landscape is extremely unsettled right now and there are plenty of things that could happen - including Congressional intervention - that could shift the landscape again and make the P2 uninterested in expanding any further.

As for NIL, again, if those numbers are right, I would agree with you. But that $14 million from UNC isn't all NIL, it's NIL + revenue share (my understanding from IC is that it's roughly half of each - so $7 mil NIL/$7 mil revenue share). If that Arizona number is NIL only, then they actually may be spending more total on players than us. If it's NIL + rev share, then I would agree we're in better shape moving forward. But part of the problem here is that the public information about what each school is actually spending is extremely limited. I do find it hard to believe when looking at the two teams' rosters, and what those players presumably would have been valued at before the season, that Arizona's roster could have been as much as $6 million cheaper than ours.
Click to expand...
When I quoted the estimated NIL numbers for each school, that included rev share as rev share is simply one form of NIL.

Based on what I read, it looks like Arizona put ~$3.5mil from rev share into basketball and then had ~$5-6mil more of other NIL funds.

My hope is that we do have a sizable advantage over Arizona in NIL & it makes Tommy want to move our way. 🙂
 
Centerpiece said:
You mean like when Zona hired Lloyd and Kansas hired Roy... or when UNC hired El Deano?
Click to expand...
Huh? Lloyd and Roy had been coaching in college for many years before getting those jobs, as assistants at big-time programs. Dean's hire was so long ago that it is basically irrelevant to the current landscape, but he had also been a college assistant for close to a decade, including at UNC. Kerr has never coached in college in any capacity. He has only been a pro executive and pro coach.
 
CRHeel94 said:
Kind of amazing how the UNC coaching tree has dried up.
Click to expand...
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there are still a decent number of UNC coaches out there, but many of them are no longer coaching at the highest level. High school, Division II, smaller mid-tier conferences, etc. King Rice has been coaching at Monmouth for a long time, and Warren Martin coached for a good while at the high school level I believe. But you're definitely right that we don't have any highly successful coaches in the major power conferences or NBA right now.
 
rodoheel said:
Huh? Lloyd and Roy had been coaching in college for many years before getting those jobs, as assistants at big-time programs. Dean's hire was so long ago that it is basically irrelevant to the current landscape, but he had also been a college assistant for close to a decade, including at UNC. Kerr has never coached in college in any capacity. He has only been a pro executive and pro coach.
Click to expand...
Totally get it. I misread the statement to mean no college “head” coaching experience. And also didn’t read between the lines that it was meant about Kerr.
 
Last edited:
CRHeel94 said:
Kind of amazing how the UNC coaching tree has dried up.
Click to expand...
Roy seemingly didn’t foster high-level coaches like Dean did and Dean retired 28.5 years ago. Given those 2 facts, it’s not terribly surprising that the Carolina coaching tree isn’t terribly robust at this point.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there are still a decent number of UNC coaches out there, but many of them are no longer coaching at the highest level. High school, Division II, smaller mid-tier conferences, etc. King Rice has been coaching at Monmouth for a long time, and Warren Martin coached for a good while at the high school level I believe. But you're definitely right that we don't have any highly successful coaches in the major power conferences or NBA right now.
Click to expand...
I thought Bobby Frasor would have ended up being a good one.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think there are still a decent number of UNC coaches out there, but many of them are no longer coaching at the highest level. High school, Division II, smaller mid-tier conferences, etc. King Rice has been coaching at Monmouth for a long time, and Warren Martin coached for a good while at the high school level I believe. But you're definitely right that we don't have any highly successful coaches in the major power conferences or NBA right now.
Click to expand...

This is what my research finds:

Stackhouse, Golden State Warriors, AC
Wes Miller, UNC-C, HC
Marcus Paige, UNC-C, AC
King Rice, Monmouth HC
Brian Reese, Monmouth, AC
Derrick Phelps, Fordham, AC
Jeff McInnis, College of Charleston, AC (was let go)
Jawad Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers, AC
David Noel, Greensboro Swarm, AC
Shammond Williams, Denver, AC
Henrik Rödl, Taiwan Beer Leopards, HC
Vasco Evtimov, HC (Bulgaria)
Joe Wolf, Wisconsin Herd, AC

Bobby Frasor is no longer coaching (coached high school for a few years).
Not exactly an embarrassment of riches. I'm more interested in the why.
Why didn't RW produce more coaches? CB McGrath flaming out probably didn't help.
 
Last edited:
CRHeel94 said:
This is what my research finds:

Stackhouse, Golden State Warriors, AC
Wes Miller, UNC-C, HC
Marcus Paige, UNC-C, AC
King Rice, Monmouth HC
Brian Reese, Monmouth, AC
Derrick Phelps, Fordham, AC
Jeff McInnis, College of Charleston, AC (was let go)
Jawad Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers, AC
David Noel, Greensboro Swarm, AC
Shammond Williams, Denver, AC
Henrik Rödl, Taiwan Beer Leopards, HC
Vasco Evtimov, HC (Bulgaria)
Joe Wolf, Wisconsin Herd, AC

Bobby Frasor is no longer coaching (coached high school for a few years).
Not exactly an embarrassment of riches. I'm more interested in the why.
Why didn't RW produce more coaches? CB McGrath flaming out probably didn't help.
Click to expand...
My first curiosity is...do most HOF coaches produce a good number of other high level coaches from their programs or is that something we associate with a great HC because Dean did it so well?

Beyond that, I wonder if it has something to do with Roy's style of play and coaching not necessarily lending itself to replication by others.
 
SnoopRob said:
My first curiosity is...do most HOF coaches produce a good number of other high level coaches from their programs or is that something we associate with a great HC because Dean did it so well?
Click to expand...
I think it’s the latter. Just based on some quick googling a lot of the current and recently retired great coaches have pretty underwhelming trees as well.

Bill Self has Danny Manning and that’s basically it. Izzo’s best protege is Tom Crean lol. Pitino can claim Kevin Willard and Billy Donovan, so not too shabby. K’s tree has good volume but I guess it depends on how you view Scheyer. After him, none of the other guys really stand out.
 
CRHeel94 said:
This is what my research finds:

Stackhouse, Golden State Warriors, AC
Wes Miller, UNC-C, HC
Marcus Paige, UNC-C, AC
King Rice, Monmouth HC
Brian Reese, Monmouth, AC
Derrick Phelps, Fordham, AC
Jeff McInnis, College of Charleston, AC (was let go)
Jawad Williams, Cleveland Cavaliers, AC
David Noel, Greensboro Swarm, AC
Shammond Williams, Denver, AC
Henrik Rödl, Taiwan Beer Leopards, HC
Vasco Evtimov, HC (Bulgaria)
Joe Wolf, Wisconsin Herd, AC

Bobby Frasor is no longer coaching (coached high school for a few years).
Not exactly an embarrassment of riches. I'm more interested in the why.
Why didn't RW produce more coaches? CB McGrath flaming out probably didn't help.
Click to expand...
We can't even try to glom off of any of Roy's Kansas guys either, none of them up to snuff....
 
SnoopRob said:
My first curiosity is...do most HOF coaches produce a good number of other high level coaches from their programs or is that something we associate with a great HC because Dean did it so well?

Beyond that, I wonder if it has something to do with Roy's style of play and coaching not necessarily lending itself to replication by others.
Click to expand...
I think it's mostly luck and opportunity.

Shaka Smart has a pretty full tree:

 
Peppers49 said:
I think it’s the latter. Just based on some quick googling a lot of the current and recently retired great coaches have pretty underwhelming trees as well.

Bill Self has Danny Manning and that’s basically it. Izzo’s best protege is Tom Crean lol. Pitino can claim Kevin Willard and Billy Donovan, so not too shabby. K’s tree has good volume but I guess it depends on how you view Scheyer. After him, none of the other guys really stand out.
Click to expand...
I was brainstorming to think of college coaches who won national (NCAAT) championships who either coached or had as assistant coaches individuals who went on to win national (NCAAT) championships as college head coaches. Off the top of my head:
Phog Allen —> Adolph Rupp, Dean Smith
Adolph Rupp —> Joe B. Hall
Frank McGuire —> Dean Smith, Larry Brown (coached him his sophomore year)
Fred Taylor —> Bob Knight
John Wooden —> Denny Crum
Bob Knight —> Coach K
Jud Heathcote —> Tom Izzo
Dean Smith —> Larry Brown, Roy Williams
Larry Brown —> John Calipari, Bill Self
Rick Pitino —> Billy Donovan
Jim Calhoun —> Kevin Ollie
 
Bigs23 said:
I think it's mostly luck and opportunity.

Shaka Smart has a pretty full tree:

Click to expand...
That's a hedge, at best. It's broad but very little height on there.

Will Wade is the only one on there that's really from Smart's tree and has had any real success.

Jai Lucas will likely end up the most successful, but has coached under Rick Barnes, Smart, Calipari, and Scheyer. Smart doesn't really get credit for him.
 
SnoopRob said:
That's a hedge, at best. It's broad but very little height on there.

Will Wade is the only one on there that's really from Smart's tree and has had any real success.

Jai Lucas will likely end up the most successful, but has coached under Rick Barnes, Smart, Calipari, and Scheyer. Smart doesn't really get credit for him.
Click to expand...
I think Shaka gave Lucas his start but yeah the tree is full but not overly fruitful.
 
SnoopRob said:
Roy seemingly didn’t foster high-level coaches like Dean did and Dean retired 28.5 years ago. Given those 2 facts, it’s not terribly surprising that the Carolina coaching tree isn’t terribly robust at this point.
Click to expand...
Mark Turgeon did look like a healthy branch of the Roy W coaching tree for a while (not so much anymore)
 
I was a Wes Miller guy to replace Roy.
40 yr old with success at UNC-G who could grow into the job with the support of UNC money and the UNC brand. He took over a troubled Cincy program and had some initial success until Cincy moved to a new conference and did it without the talent that he could have attracted to UNC.

I will be interested to see how he does at Charlotte with his assistant Marcus Paige ( a future head coach ? )
 
heelinhell said:
I was a Wes Miller guy to replace Roy.
40 yr old with success at UNC-G who could grow into the job with the support of UNC money and the UNC brand. He took over a troubled Cincy program and had some initial success until Cincy moved to a new conference and did it without the talent that he could have attracted to UNC.

I will be interested to see how he does at Charlotte with his assistant Marcus Paige ( a future head coach ? )
Click to expand...
Isn't Sean May joining Wes in Charlotte too?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top