UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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Heart says UNC 22-21 because I absolutely positively effing loathe and despise those inbred MFers more than I can put into suitable words.

Head says State 31-14 because I have watched us play all year, and have watched us play State for the last 25 years and only seen us beat them 9 times.
 
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CFordUNC said:
I know I’m beating a dead horse here but if that truly is his strategy, to play a bunch of 18 year-old freshmen all over the field, we are going to be right back here a year from now sitting at 4-8. It goes without saying that I would love to be wrong.
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If we're right back here, he'll be gone and we'll (hopefully) do a legit search to bring in the best coach we can get. And that coach will have a cupboard much fuller than what BB walked into, thanks to what Lombardi and Belichick are doing right now.
 
Peppers49 said:
I really can’t imagine looking at Lombardi’s resume and hearing all of the buffoonish things he says and still defending the guy. It cracks me up thinking about how all of the stuffy boosters reacted when that asinine 76ers process manifesto hit their email inbox lol. They deserve it though for signing off on him.

It’s so embarrassing that he’s associated with UNC and getting paid like 3x the amount of any other college GM. What a joke.
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Isn't HD's GM making over a million?
 
stankeylegjones said:
If we're right back here, he'll be gone and we'll (hopefully) do a legit search to bring in the best coach we can get. And that coach will have a cupboard much fuller than what BB walked into, thanks to what Lombardi and Belichick are doing right now.
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Agree with the first sentiment, but very few recruiting classes are going to stick around anymore when the coach that recruited them isn’t going to be there. We would need to hire a coach that theoretically could bring some good players with him from wherever he was.

Either way, I’m certainly hoping and pulling for it all to work out and for it to be a moot point.
 
CFordUNC said:
Agree with the first sentiment, but very few recruiting classes are going to stick around anymore when the coach that recruited them isn’t going to be there. We would need to hire a coach that theoretically could bring some good players with him from wherever he was.

Either way, I’m certainly hoping and pulling for it all to work out and for it to be a moot point.
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Also, if any next coach takes the same approach of "burn it all down", it doesn't matter much what is in the cupboard.
 


Not a fan of Cowherd’s myself, but he brings up some interesting points in this clip (and believe it or not I’m not even talking about the ones where he is bashing Belichick for being a has-been). He brings up something I have not really thought of, which is that the era of old-school defensive coaches being successful has passed and its offensive-oriented coaches that are running the NFL and college football. The point that Cowherd makes is that it’s not even necessarily about age, but rather about foundational philosophy and personality. There are plenty of old guys who are offensive minded who are still thriving- Sean Payton, Andy Reid, Harbaugh, Bruce Arians in their older age.
But pretty much all of the old-school older defensive minded coaches- Belichick, Pete Carol, Ron Rivera, Lovie Smith- all met career endings that were disastrous.
 
CFordUNC said:
Agree with the first sentiment, but very few recruiting classes are going to stick around anymore when the coach that recruited them isn’t going to be there. We would need to hire a coach that theoretically could bring some good players with him from wherever he was.

Either way, I’m certainly hoping and pulling for it all to work out and for it to be a moot point.
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There is always going to be a task of keeping talented players. The more you start with the better chance you have to keep more. It's also different when the coach is fired/leaves instead of getting fired, players tend to stick around more in those cases. It's when coaches move to another HC job where you see a ton of players leaving (they go with the coach), at least lately.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Which players did BB and staff force out/burn it down? I know a few of the top-talent left for better programs and better chances, but which others?
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I think he's referring to all the staff who could've helped ID team needs more quickly plus share their leads on portal guys (Mack was likely looking at the portal for the next Huzzie and Lampkin at a bunch of positions).
 
CFordUNC said:
Heart says UNC 22-21 because I absolutely positively effing loathe and despise those inbred MFers more than I can put into suitable words.

Head says State 31-14 because I have watched us play all year, and have watched us play State for the last 25 years and only seen us beat them 9 times.
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Hard to believe that the series has gotten so lopsided lately.

I guess it could be worse; you could be a fan of like Auburn or GT or Tennessee where you have a protracted losing streak to your historical rivals that have entered another stratosphere and it feels like you don’t even belong on the same field most seasons. Would also suck to be UVA where you almost never beat your “little brother” rival.

In those cases though at least the rivals are legitimate programs. State hasn’t been particularly good by any stretch and we still can’t consistently beat them.
 
Peppers49 said:
Hard to believe that the series has gotten so lopsided lately.

I guess it could be worse; you could be a fan of like Auburn or GT or Tennessee where you have a protracted losing streak to your historical rivals that have entered another stratosphere and it feels like you don’t even belong on the same field most seasons. Would also suck to be UVA where you almost never beat your “little brother” rival.

In those cases though at least the rivals are legitimate programs. State hasn’t been particularly good by any stretch and we still can’t consistently beat them.
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It is amazing unc's ability to lose close games going back to fedora last year. Vpi and Syracuse that year. State game we blew 13 pt lead 3 years ago. Last year's state game. Cal and Virginia and dook this year. And several I have left out. Just amazing our inability to close under three coaches
 
heel79 said:
It is amazing unc's ability to lose close games going back to fedora last year. Vpi and Syracuse that year. State game we blew 13 pt lead 3 years ago. Last year's state game. Cal and Virginia and dook this year. And several I have left out. Just amazing our inability to close under three coaches
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I was thinking about that the other day. It really feels like we’re on the wrong end of back and forth games far more often than not.

We’ve stolen a few from Dook over the years, but other than that most of our close wins are just managing to not choke a big lead against a bad team.
 
Our record against State since 2000 is extremely frustrating, but not all that surprising, given how much State hates us and pretty much bases their entire football season around whether they beat us or not. And Doeren knows that beating UNC is the key to keeping his job and plans accordingly - he probably starts planning for the UNC game at the start of the season, and they usually play their best game of the season against us, even when they're not having a good or even decent season overall. Having said that, it's still frustrating that we usually haven't been able to rise to the occasion and answer in kind.

I always got the impression that Butch Davis and Mack Brown (at least in his second tenure here) just never cared about the rivalry and never really treated the State game as any different from any other game (Mack did seem to get fired up for the dook game, but not State), and Fedora was 3-4. Ironically it was John Bunting, a UNC grad and former UNC player, who really seemed to get the State rivalry more than any coach over the past quarter-century. I guess we'll see tomorrow if Belichick treats it as a rivalry game or as just another game on the schedule.
 
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