UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

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It is surprising to me that high3* frosh are making 200k. Is that really the case?
I would think some of the low-star guys are offered something tiny with the promise that they can earn more as sophomores if they are decent... especially these secondary and RB who like like dime-a-dozen.
No no no, don't mistake my post. I have absolutely NO IDEA what the amounts are. I just took a swing at guessing. How do you think 10m gets spent on 39 kids on average? Just spitballing. Its probably wrong to use stars as the reference for payment. Position group is probably more accurate.
 
I have no idea about the values, but if that's what they are meant to be...would that mean whomever is assigning the values doesn't have a high opinion of some of the class?
It’s just a formula. No one is making a subjective judgment as part of the analysis. It really is just trash and detracts from the quality of the site. The best advice is to completely ignore it.
 
I think the only thing that Belichick did a good job of this season was setting the bar low early. It looked so pitiful through the first 5 games that when the team did the absolute bare minimum and showed some competitiveness against a handful of bad to mediocre ACC, people actually thought it was some sort of meaningful accomplishment.

The reality is that for the majority of the season the team looked like they were just going through the motions. The defense looking competent at times is about the only remotely positive takeaway, and even then we still got routinely carved up and pushed around on that side of the ball.

Whole situation is depressing. Only UNC would be arrogant enough to double down on an obvious mistake and force the fans through another season of this mess.
Couldn’t agree more, with every single word. The most damning things of all, to me, was 1. watching some of our players loaf at various points throughout the season(saw it in the first game against TCU, we saw it against UCF, we saw it against Clemson, then we saw it against Wake Forest and NC State) and 2. the stunning lack of discipline. Of all of the things that I expected we would or would not see out of a Bill Belichick coached team, it never even remotely once crossed my mind in the preseason that we would ever have to worry about effort, or that we would ever see a complete abandonment of basic fundamentals (we had drives with multiple substitution infractions) and maintaining composure (the drive killing or drive extending personal fouls).

You could’ve told me before the season that we were going to run a bland, boring, unimaginative, uncreative, risk-averse ball control offense and I would have believed it in a split second knowing what kind of philosophy Belichick has. You could’ve never in 1 million years told me that we were going to be routinely out-efforted, out-competed, or out-disciplined.

To me, you can fix style of play in terms of offensive scheming and play calling, a hell of a lot easier than you can fix the very clear cultural problem that we have with effort and discipline.
 
I wonder...how would have Mack fared this year?
He also would've had to rebuild the DL, LB and secondary via the portal since Echols, every DL but Beau, Leroy and Tyler Thompson, the two starting safeties from last yr and Huzzie all graduated.
And he probably would've had to rely on the portal for OL since Trevyeon Greene, Blaske and Banfield were the only guys returning who were experienced. Or else he would've been playing Trevyeon and Zach Rice as our tackles.
 
No no no, don't mistake my post. I have absolutely NO IDEA what the amounts are. I just took a swing at guessing. How do you think 10m gets spent on 39 kids on average? Just spitballing.
I hear ya, your guess is as good as any.

ETA you said "4* - 8 recruits x $750k per player = $6m" but 12 could be likely and that would be 9 million. So i guess that kinda makes more sense...

Weatherspoon
Dopson
Sadler
Burgess
Chapman
Forkpa
Thomas
Warren
Ruffin
Vodney Cleveland?
Shabazz
David Davis
 
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I suspect that the hope is that he will pass the team onto his son (Steve) at some point. There would, however, have to be evidence that his son is qualified to take over, which would involve, you know, actually showing success.
I think that has been their plan - Steve to take over.
 
Something that doesn't make sense to me: so this incoming freshmen class is to be the cornerstone of the rebuild.

Our 73 year old coach is beginning a complete rebuild in his second season. So the rebuild will start to pay dividends when he's 76? 77?
personally don’t think it’s anything other than buying time for the grift
 
Couldn’t agree more, with every single word. The most damning things of all, to me, was 1. watching some of our players loaf at various points throughout the season(saw it in the first game against TCU, we saw it against UCF, we saw it against Clemson, then we saw it against Wake Forest and NC State) and 2. the stunning lack of discipline. Of all of the things that I expected we would or would not see out of a Bill Belichick coached team, it never even remotely once crossed my mind in the preseason that we would ever have to worry about effort, or that we would ever see a complete abandonment of basic fundamentals (we had drives with multiple substitution infractions) and maintaining composure (the drive killing or drive extending personal fouls).

You could’ve told me before the season that we were going to run a bland, boring, unimaginative, uncreative, risk-averse ball control offense and I would have believed it in a split second knowing what kind of philosophy Belichick has. You could’ve never in 1 million years told me that we were going to be routinely out-efforted, out-competed, or out-disciplined.

To me, you can fix style of play in terms of offensive scheming and play calling, a hell of a lot easier than you can fix the very clear cultural problem that we have with effort and discipline.
Yeah the offensive scheme (if you can even call it a scheme) was ridiculously bad, but in theory that’s something that you can change just by hiring an actual offensive coordinator.

The team routinely mailing it in and Belichick looking lost on the sidelines when it comes to in-game management are signs of a coach losing his fastball. No one is immune from it, no matter how great they were in their prime.
 
I wonder...how would have Mack fared this year?
Probably about the same, given that Mack was basically snoozing his way through games and seemed to have no fire in his belly to improve. OTOH, he was also making about half of what Belichick is, so we'd probably still have a similar record, but for a lot less money. So there's that, I guess.
 
I wonder...how would have Mack fared this year?
If we hadn't fired Mack, I don't think he would have fared any better. The roster would probably have been even worse because the underwhelming results had eliminated his recruiting ability, and he completely lost the locker room with his post-JMU antics. He'd probably have had a ceiling of 4 wins with a very real possibility of a 2018 repeat.

In the hypothetical world where Mack 2.0 is just handed this roster, he for sure makes it to bowl eligibility, though. I wanted Mack gone long before it became consensus that he was bad at his job, but Belichick's performance this year puts him to shame.
 
Probably about the same, given that Mack was basically snoozing his way through games and seemed to have no fire in his belly to improve. OTOH, he was also making about half of what Belichick is, so we'd probably still have a similar record, but for a lot less money. So there's that, I guess.
Yep. I said yesterday or the day before, quite literally every single UNC Football coach in my lifetime of going on 3.5 decades now -including, and maybe even especially, John Bunting- would have had this team, against this schedule, in a bowl game at an absolute bare minimum. The fact that we did not even come remotely close to qualifying for a bowl game is an indictment on how much of an unmitigated disaster this year was. It’s actually hard to even truly quantify how bad it was.
 
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In the hypothetical world where Mack 2.0 is just handed this roster, he for sure makes it to bowl eligibility, though.
In this world Max Johnson would've been medically retired by his 4th full game after Trevyeon Green matadors for the ntheenth time, so are you saying Gio and the OL somehow would've been a much better vs Cal, UVA, Wake, etc? Would our players have been faster under Mack? Please ensure you include the fact that half the team wasn't here til summer and that our top-2 centers missed the first month of the season.

BB was horrible, but Mack was the king of do less with more... he would've lost to Stanford.
 
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