UNC Football Catch-All Thread 2024 Season | End of Mack Brown 2.0, Bowl in Boston Dec 28

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OGtruthhurts said:
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You dont know that neither do i. Heard the same thing from Colorado Boulder community.

Doesnt matter our admin is too gutless to think outside the box and try something different. We will hire the latest greatest lime we did with Fed and be back in the same boat in a few yrs as history repeats itself.
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I think i do know that with regard to Primetime. There's a reason Matt Doherty failed spectacularly in Chapel Hill. Certain personalities just will not work.
 
Agree on Campbell but is there a realistic chance we can land him?

It seems the search is back to square one after the PTB watched the Tulane and UGA games.
 
It’s so exhausting visiting IC’s Premium Tar Pit after a game. Everyone sucks. The students suck because they all didn’t come back over Thanksgiving weekend for the game. People who had tickets that didn’t go suck, but if you had tickets and gave them to a friend who roots for the other team you suck. Plus, if you bought tickets period you suck because this team doesn’t deserve to be supported. It’s all depression mixed with male hormonal rage over there.
 
Wheels81 said:
It’s so exhausting visiting IC’s Premium Tar Pit after a game. Everyone sucks. The students suck because they all didn’t come back over Thanksgiving weekend for the game. People who had tickets that didn’t go suck, but if you had tickets and gave them to a friend who roots for the other team you suck. Plus, if you bought tickets period you suck because this team doesn’t deserve to be supported. It’s all depression mixed with male hormonal rage over there.
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One guy is super pissed that balloons were visible behind the podium of the post-game press conference
 
Wheels81 said:
It’s so exhausting visiting IC’s Premium Tar Pit after a game. Everyone sucks. The students suck because they all didn’t come back over Thanksgiving weekend for the game. People who had tickets that didn’t go suck, but if you had tickets and gave them to a friend who roots for the other team you suck. Plus, if you bought tickets period you suck because this team doesn’t deserve to be supported. It’s all depression mixed with male hormonal rage over there.
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During the Butch Davis era,I remember one season I was sitting in great seats around the 40 yard line and had state fans sitting to the right and to the left of me. These were Ram's Club seats so some Ram's Clubbers gave their tickets to state fans.
 
Wheels81 said:
It’s so exhausting visiting IC’s Premium Tar Pit after a game. Everyone sucks. The students suck because they all didn’t come back over Thanksgiving weekend for the game. People who had tickets that didn’t go suck, but if you had tickets and gave them to a friend who roots for the other team you suck. Plus, if you bought tickets period you suck because this team doesn’t deserve to be supported. It’s all depression mixed with male hormonal rage over there.
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Yes, best to follow the 24 hour rule on ICP after a loss.
 
The problem is that except for years where Carolina is a clear, clear favorite in the game, there are a lot more State fans willing to buy these tickets (or even attend the game) as opposed to Carolina fans.

A big part of that is the hate they have for us overall. A part is that they know that football is typically their chance to get a win over us in a major sport. And a part is that since TOB got to Raleigh the wuffies have made beating us their top priority in football (and they're 13-5 against us over that time).

By the end of the year, we're ready for basketball whereas their fans are ready to beat us. That is a fanbase problem, but it's also a problem that the team doesn't seem to take the game terribly seriously, either.
 
Sounds like Freddie Kitchens is being named our interim head coach until we make the permanent hire. I personally think that UNC should opt out of the bowl game and thus no need for an interim head coach. Those extra bowl practices- of which teams are allotted 15 but rarely use more than 10-12- are totally meaningless for next year when we'll have an entirely new staff and virtually an entirely new roster. None of our good players are going to play in some 6-6 bowl game in some boring destination, and any bowl game revenue that we earn is easily offset (and then some) by the expenditure. None of our fans are going to buy tickets or spend money to travel. We need to call it a season and not subject anyone- players, coaches, admin, fans, television viewers, etc.- to the misery of watching a 6-6 team go through the motions.

My junior year at UNC we played in the Independence Bowl in Shreveport, LA and it was a purely miserable experience all around. Not one single person in the program wanted to be there. We spent three weeks practicing under a coaching staff that had no desire (and understandably so) to continue coaching a team that they would soon be dismissed from coaching. We spent a week over Christmas, away from families, in one of the absolute worst bowl game destinations in the universe, where we stayed in a casino resort across the street from a strip club and ate at IHOP on Christmas Day because it was the only thing open. The entire coaching staff was in the casino at 3 AM on Christmas night pounding bourbon, smoking cigars, and gambling. We then played at high noon on the day after Christmas in freezing drizzle and got absolutely drilled by Missouri, after which the interim head coach didn't even come into the locker room after the game to speak to the team. It was an absolutely awful experience in every imaginable way. Not opting out of that bowl game likely cost us the opportunity to play in one the next year when we went 8-4 and won the tiebreakers for the Coastal Division championship (granted, it's no guarantee that the NCAA wouldn't have banned us anyway in 2012 but surely it was worth offering it up to them).

I keep my 2011 Independence Bowl runner-up ring on a shelf in my office next to my locker name plate and my varsity letters solely for the laughs.

UNC needs to decline the bowl bid, let the fired staff get on with their lives of finding their next jobs, and let the players get on with either finding a new team or preparing to play for a new coaching staff in the spring.
 
SnoopRob said:
The problem is that except for years where Carolina is a clear, clear favorite in the game, there are a lot more State fans willing to buy these tickets (or even attend the game) as opposed to Carolina fans.

A big part of that is the hate they have for us overall. A part is that they know that football is typically their chance to get a win over us in a major sport. And a part is that since TOB got to Raleigh the wuffies have made beating us their top priority in football (and they're 13-5 against us over that time).

By the end of the year, we're ready for basketball whereas their fans are ready to beat us. That is a fanbase problem, but it's also a problem that the team doesn't seem to take the game terribly seriously, either.
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I've been posting the same for years - they take the rivalry more seriously than we do, at least for the past couple of decades or so. And Doeren gets it the way Roy Williams did. Roy hated State and put major effort into beating them every time he played them, and our record versus State during Roy's coaching career here reflected that. Doeren hates us, knows that his job security depends on regularly beating us, and he puts major effort into planning and preparing for his game with us each year, and they nearly always play their best game of the season against us. And I've always gotten the sense that Mack and Fedora and yes, even Butch Davis, never took the rivalry all that seriously. The last UNC coach who really put special emphasis on beating State was Bunting, which may not be the best example. I think we can focus on beating State more often and still have great teams and great seasons. Maybe the next coach will put more emphasis on winning the damn game, otherwise as long as Doeren is at State I think they'll continue to win against us more often than not. The only good thing about them beating us so often in football is that it's given Dave real job security, and his ceiling is limited at State and they'll never become a serious contender as long as he's there. But I'd certainly prefer beating them on a more regular basis, even if it finally costs Dave his job.
 
Wheels81 said:
It’s so exhausting visiting IC’s Premium Tar Pit after a game. Everyone sucks. The students suck because they all didn’t come back over Thanksgiving weekend for the game. People who had tickets that didn’t go suck, but if you had tickets and gave them to a friend who roots for the other team you suck. Plus, if you bought tickets period you suck because this team doesn’t deserve to be supported. It’s all depression mixed with male hormonal rage over there.
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That’s a tough one. I’m not going to blame anyone individually for not putting in the time and money to attend UNC football games when the product on the field is so poor, but it does suck that State fans show up well at Kenan for that game. Not sure what the solution is other than hiring a coach that puts a more competent team on the field that people actually want to root for. Mack’s teams have rolled over and turned in no-show efforts so many times over the last few seasons that it’s really tough to get invested in rooting for them at this point.
 
CFordUNC said:
Sounds like Freddie Kitchens is being named our interim head coach until we make the permanent hire. I personally think that UNC should opt out of the bowl game and thus no need for an interim head coach. Those extra bowl practices- of which teams are allotted 15 but rarely use more than 10-12- are totally meaningless for next year when we'll have an entirely new staff and virtually an entirely new roster. None of our good players are going to play in some 6-6 bowl game in some boring destination, and any bowl game revenue that we earn is easily offset (and then some) by the expenditure. None of our fans are going to buy tickets or spend money to travel. We need to call it a season and not subject anyone- players, coaches, admin, fans, television viewers, etc.- to the misery of watching a 6-6 team go through the motions.

My junior year at UNC we played in the Independence Bowl in Shreveport, LA and it was a purely miserable experience all around. Not one single person in the program wanted to be there. We spent three weeks practicing under a coaching staff that had no desire (and understandably so) to continue coaching a team that they would soon be dismissed from coaching. We spent a week over Christmas, away from families, in one of the absolute worst bowl game destinations in the universe, where we stayed in a casino resort across the street from a strip club and ate at IHOP on Christmas Day because it was the only thing open. The entire coaching staff was in the casino at 3 AM on Christmas night pounding bourbon, smoking cigars, and gambling. We then played at high noon on the day after Christmas in freezing drizzle and got absolutely drilled by Missouri, after which the interim head coach didn't even come into the locker room after the game to speak to the team. It was an absolutely awful experience in every imaginable way. Not opting out of that bowl game likely cost us the opportunity to play in one the next year when we went 8-4 and won the tiebreakers for the Coastal Division championship (granted, it's no guarantee that the NCAA wouldn't have banned us anyway in 2012 but surely it was worth offering it up to them).

I keep my 2011 Independence Bowl runner-up ring on a shelf in my office next to my locker name plate and my varsity letters solely for the laughs.

UNC needs to decline the bowl bid, let the fired staff get on with their lives of finding their next jobs, and let the players get on with either finding a new team or preparing to play for a new coaching staff in the spring.
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This situation does remind me of the 2011 season. It would definitely be best if we just packed it in and fully moved on to next season without putting the team through the shame of a terrible bowl game that no one wants to watch, attend, or play in, but it won’t happen unfortunately. Teams just don’t decline bowl invites like they sometimes do with the NIT (outside of the Covid seasons at least).
 
CFordUNC said:
Sounds like Freddie Kitchens is being named our interim head coach until we make the permanent hire. I personally think that UNC should opt out of the bowl game and thus no need for an interim head coach. Those extra bowl practices- of which teams are allotted 15 but rarely use more than 10-12- are totally meaningless for next year when we'll have an entirely new staff and virtually an entirely new roster. None of our good players are going to play in some 6-6 bowl game in some boring destination, and any bowl game revenue that we earn is easily offset (and then some) by the expenditure. None of our fans are going to buy tickets or spend money to travel. We need to call it a season and not subject anyone- players, coaches, admin, fans, television viewers, etc.- to the misery of watching a 6-6 team go through the motions.

My junior year at UNC we played in the Independence Bowl in Shreveport, LA and it was a purely miserable experience all around. Not one single person in the program wanted to be there. We spent three weeks practicing under a coaching staff that had no desire (and understandably so) to continue coaching a team that they would soon be dismissed from coaching. We spent a week over Christmas, away from families, in one of the absolute worst bowl game destinations in the universe, where we stayed in a casino resort across the street from a strip club and ate at IHOP on Christmas Day because it was the only thing open. The entire coaching staff was in the casino at 3 AM on Christmas night pounding bourbon, smoking cigars, and gambling. We then played at high noon on the day after Christmas in freezing drizzle and got absolutely drilled by Missouri, after which the interim head coach didn't even come into the locker room after the game to speak to the team. It was an absolutely awful experience in every imaginable way. Not opting out of that bowl game likely cost us the opportunity to play in one the next year when we went 8-4 and won the tiebreakers for the Coastal Division championship (granted, it's no guarantee that the NCAA wouldn't have banned us anyway in 2012 but surely it was worth offering it up to them).

I keep my 2011 Independence Bowl runner-up ring on a shelf in my office next to my locker name plate and my varsity letters solely for the laughs.

UNC needs to decline the bowl bid, let the fired staff get on with their lives of finding their next jobs, and let the players get on with either finding a new team or preparing to play for a new coaching staff in the spring.
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What was your connection to that team? Were you a player? If so, I didn't know that.
 
I always make sure my tickets are used even if have to giveaway. Met real nice family last night and we had fun despite the ending. I wish more fans would work to make sure tix are used even if it means giving away.
 
From AP story:

“… Former Cleveland Browns coach Freddie Kitchens is working as the interim coach for an upcoming bowl game as UNC conducts it search.

Moving on from the 73-year-old Brown to hire the 72-year-old Belichick would mean UNC is turning to a coach who has never worked at the college level, yet had incredible NFL success alongside quarterback Tom Brady throughout most of his 24-year tenure with the Patriots that ended last season. …”



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Replacing a 73 year-old coach with a 72 year-old coach that has never coached in college would be a very UNC football thing to do. If we do hire Belichick(and I don't think it will happen) we would certainly get all the media coverage we could handle. ESPN would be camped out in Chapel Hill.
 
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