UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Enigma94 said:
Guess I’ll dive into a minutes discussion.

PG - EC (25), RJ (15)
SG - RJ (15), ST (15), IJ (10)
SF - IJ (15), ST (10), DP (15)

DP can log some minutes at the 4 as well. Point being I think there are plenty of minutes, just have to get someone to buy into coming in off the bench. I know people want to start but at least it’s not a problem of having enough minutes for everyone. We’re definitely going to be small but I don’t see a way around that.
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PG - EC (25), RJ (15)
SG - RJ (10), ST (15), IJ (15)
SF - IJ (10), ST (10), DP (20)

I would really like to minimize the minutes that Davis, Cadeau, and Jackson are on the floor together. Someone with more statistical data than I have might confirm that Davis, Cadeau, and Jackson together is horrendous defensively.

ETA: Trimble has been Carolina's best player so far this season. Cadeau's turnovers (reckless) and excessive (reckless) fouls are a problem. Davis has a lower 2FG%, 3FG%, eFG%, and TS% than Cadeau, Jackson, Trimble, Powell, and Withers, lower than Tyson except for TS%, lower than Lubin and Washington except for 3FG%. Davis' positives on offense are Assist rate, low turnovers, and FT% (which is his lowest in 3 years). The season is half over. I've quit hoping for Davis to revert to his form from last season. Jackson is now option 1 on offense. Davis' value going forward appears to be distributor who can score, not scorer who can dish. Trimble and Jackson should get the minutes, and they should come from Davis and Cadeau, not Powell or the bigs with some defenseless 3-guard lineup.
 
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Centerpiece said:
Something's gotta give with who starts in the foreseeable future.
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You know where I stand on this already. Elliot's minutes should decrease but he should be starting for now. Seth is a known commodity off the bench

Elliot hasn't played his best and if I'm Hubert my goal is to get him playing to the potential we've sometimes seen (albeit much earlier in the season). I don't think bringing him off the bench is the way to achieve that

Starting doesn't mean more minutes as we saw the other night and even at times last season. It just means starting. There are plenty of minutes off the bench and a ton will be determined by matchups, who's playing well, foul trouble, etc.

Centerpiece said:
If Seth gets back to 100% and does NOT win his starting spot back, he may be pissed and wishing he had stayed in the Portal instead of coming back. I know I would be after starting the year like he did.
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Seth knew what he signed up for. Ian was one of those freshman and RJ and Elliot were returning starters. If Seth is back to playing like he was pre-injury and Elliot continues to struggle Seth will play more
 
Ian needs more than 25. RJ's mins should go down (been 35+ every big game) but seems unlikely. 25 for Trimble would be a significant drop from where he was pre-injury

Not sure how Drake logs many mins at the 3 given the above unless they occasionally play 4 guards. I do think the best lineup could very well feature Drake at the 3 which complicates things further

Agree with EC at around 25 and more or less depending on matchups
 
BillOfRights said:
PG - EC (25), RJ (15)
SG - RJ (10), ST (15), IJ (15)
SF - IJ (10), ST (10), DP (20)

I would really like to minimize the minutes that Davis, Cadeau, and Jackson are on the floor together. Someone with more statistical data than I have might confirm that Davis, Cadeau, and Jackson together is horrendous defensively.

ETA: Trimble has been Carolina's best player so far this season. Cadeau's turnovers (reckless) and excessive (reckless) fouls are a problem. Davis has a lower 2FG%, 3FG%, eFG%, and TS% than Cadeau, Jackson, Trimble, Powell, and Withers, lower than Tyson except for TS%, lower than Lubin and Washington except for 3FG%. Davis' positives on offense are Assist rate, low turnovers, and FT% (which is his lowest in 3 years). The season is half over. I've quit hoping for Davis to revert to his form from last season. Jackson is now option 1 on offense. Davis' value going forward appears to be distributor who can score, not scorer who can dish. Trimble and Jackson should get the minutes, and they should come from Davis and Cadeau, not Powell or the bigs with some defenseless 3-guard lineup.
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Boom! That’s what I’ve been saying. Elliot gotta produce early and often and NOT turn it over or he’s gotta sit. We need Trimble (defense, rebounding and offense) , RJ at point, Ian is best offensive weapon in terms of scoring and creating a shot and someone to take the big shot at the end - other than RJ. Need Some height after that. You can’t NOT start Seth and RJ, and Ian has it over Elliot right now. After that we gotta have Drake, Lubin, JWash and whatever Withers can offer in a positive fashion.

Elliot only got 18 minutes last game. Why? Because he had 4 fouls, 4 turnovers and only one assist. He couldn’t guard his man (he’s too short).
I’m sorry, although I agree RJ has had time to snap out of his shooting slump, but he may have just busted down that door last game, but it’s obvious Elliot will turn it over 40 times in a 12 game stretch. His 1-4 ratio last game proves it.
 
Heelsandeers said:
You know where I stand on this already. Elliot's minutes should decrease but he should be starting for now. Seth is a known commodity off the bench

Elliot hasn't played his best and if I'm Hubert my goal is to get him playing to the potential we've sometimes seen (albeit much earlier in the season). I don't think bringing him off the bench is the way to achieve that

Starting doesn't mean more minutes as we saw the other night and even at times last season. It just means starting. There are plenty of minutes off the bench and a ton will be determined by matchups, who's playing well, foul trouble, etc.



Seth knew what he signed up for. Ian was one of those freshman and RJ and Elliot were returning starters. If Seth is back to playing like he was pre-injury and Elliot continues to struggle Seth will play more
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“Seth new what he signed up for”?
He damn well signed up to prove he should start. And he did. And he did. I said if he comes back 100% and playing the way he did to start the year, then he should get his starting job back. I agree about Ian.
 
I will say, I miss the individual game threads - specific only to that day's game - as opposed to just one, general UNC basketball thread. I do appreciate the Ritmos threads which bonbosco generates each game day. One would think those threads could operate as that day's "Official Game Thread". But it seems this general thread draws a lot of comments before, during and immediately after each game. All that said, I'll move over to the Ritmos thread.
 
Centerpiece said:
Boom! That’s what I’ve been saying. Elliot gotta produce early and often and NOT turn it over or he’s gotta sit.
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Centerpiece said:
Elliot only got 18 minutes last game. Why? Because he had 4 fouls, 4 turnovers and only one assist. He couldn’t guard his man (he’s too short).
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Is scoring the first 5 points of the game considered producing early? Because he just did that vs SMU

Saying he couldn't guard his man isn't accurate. Held his own on the much bigger Cross on several occasions in the first half of that game. Stripped him on the very first defensive possession

Picked up a foul being overly aggressive then a bad quick second foul where he got beat and reached on Boopie. SMU had a total of 4 points when Cadeau went to the bench with fouls

Centerpiece said:
but it’s obvious Elliot will turn it over 40 times in a 12 game stretch. His 1-4 ratio last game proves it.
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As if we only have 12 games to go by. 11 assists and 3 turnovers in consecutive road games prior to SMU. He absolutely needs to take better care of the ball than he has for much of the season but to say it's a given that he won't is absurd

He is by far the best outlet passer on the team. Vs SMU in the first half had two outlet passes to RJ and Ian resulting in scores where he wasn't credited assists. The kind of things you miss if you're trying to draw all conclusions from a box score

Centerpiece said:
“Seth new what he signed up for”?
He damn well signed up to prove he should start. And he did. I said if he comes back 100% and playing the way he did to start the year, then he should get his starting job back. I agree about Ian.
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If Seth plays more minutes coming off the bench than Elliot does starting, that is somehow a slight to Seth?

I've already said I think Elliot needs a decreased role but you have to try to maximize whatever that role looks like if the team is going to reach its ceiling. I'm just still of the belief that is trying to get him going early

Whatever the starting lineup ends up looking like, I think Elliot and Seth both play less minutes than they did to start the year, simply because Drake needs time at the 3 and you can't sit Ian or RJ
 
Centerpiece said:
I will say, I miss the individual game threads - specific only to that day's game - as opposed to just one, general UNC basketball thread. I do appreciate the Ritmos threads which bonbosco generates each game day. One would think those threads could operate as that day's "Official Game Thread". But it seems this general thread draws a lot of comments before, during and immediately after each game. All that said, I'll move over to the Ritmos thread.
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I agree. I wish posters would use don bosco’s thread as the game thread and leave this one for more general topics or discussions not during the games. It’s like we have two game threads and both of them are unsatisfactory.
 
finesse said:
Don't post often on game threads but I'll start doing that. I've normally posted what little I do on what I stumble on first.
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I don’t really post much on game threads either, mostly because the inevitably evolve into whining about officiating or announcing. But I sometimes read them during the games and the lack of a singular identified game thread means you have to keep going back and forth between threads and the flow is disrupted. It is a structural flaw that needs to be remedied, but there is no need for separate game threads when don bosco has already provided a game-specific starter thread.
 
Heelsandeers said:
Is scoring the first 5 points of the game considered producing early? Because he just did that vs SMU

Saying he couldn't guard his man isn't accurate. Held his own on the much bigger Cross on several occasions in the first half of that game. Stripped him on the very first defensive possession

Picked up a foul being overly aggressive then a bad quick second foul where he got beat and reached on Boopie. SMU had a total of 4 points when Cadeau went to the bench with fouls



As if we only have 12 games to go by. 11 assists and 3 turnovers in consecutive road games prior to SMU. He absolutely needs to take better care of the ball than he has for much of the season but to say it's a given that he won't is absurd

He is by far the best outlet passer on the team. Vs SMU in the first half had two outlet passes to RJ and Ian resulting in scores where he wasn't credited assists. The kind of things you miss if you're trying to draw all conclusions from a box score



If Seth plays more minutes coming off the bench than Elliot does starting, that is somehow a slight to Seth?

I've already said I think Elliot needs a decreased role but you have to try to maximize whatever that role looks like if the team is going to reach its ceiling. I'm just still of the belief that is trying to get him going early

Whatever the starting lineup ends up looking like, I think Elliot and Seth both play less minutes than they did to start the year, simply because Drake needs time at the 3 and you can't sit Ian or RJ
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Well, I agree with all of that
 
One of the best memories for this game will be Wolpfackers yelling, “Goal-tending,” about that last shot JWash rejected (at best that shot was hitting the underside of the rim).
 
Heelsandeers said:
You know where I stand on this already. Elliot's minutes should decrease but he should be starting for now. Seth is a known commodity off the bench

Elliot hasn't played his best and if I'm Hubert my goal is to get him playing to the potential we've sometimes seen (albeit much earlier in the season). I don't think bringing him off the bench is the way to achieve that

Starting doesn't mean more minutes as we saw the other night and even at times last season. It just means starting. There are plenty of minutes off the bench and a ton will be determined by matchups, who's playing well, foul trouble, etc.



Seth knew what he signed up for. Ian was one of those freshman and RJ and Elliot were returning starters. If Seth is back to playing like he was pre-injury and Elliot continues to struggle Seth will play more
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Maybe RJ needs to sit and come off the bench
 
its a flawed average team thx to HD. we do have some talent and will win a bunch of games in the acc because 3/4th of the teams absolutely suck.
 
Peppers49 said:
Never mind that Styles took a million steps and didn’t get called for it on the inbound that started that final possession lol.
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You can take as many steps as you want, but you must keep one foot within the 3-foot throw in area (designated spot). Styles moved outside the area, and it should have been an inbounds violation.
 
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