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superrific said:
Who is projected higher, Jackson or Powell?
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Powell, but depends somewhat on the service.

Fans have trouble understanding that NBA doesn't draft based on college production -- so even though Jackson is killing it this year, Powell still has certain physical tools that make him attractive to NBA teams.

There is more variance on Powell, and nothing is set in stone. But I'd be very surprised to see either of those guys in a UNC uniform next year.
 
Calheel said:
Powell, but depends somewhat on the service.

Fans have trouble understanding that NBA doesn't draft based on college production -- so even though Jackson is killing it this year, Powell still has certain physical tools that make him attractive to NBA teams.

There is more variance on Powell, and nothing is set in stone. But I'd be very surprised to see either of those guys in a UNC uniform next year.
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It should help with recruiting if they both go high first round.
 
Got to the FT line, made FTs, bigs contributed, not many turnovers, still managed to score 71 points at home. The offense has been the more problematic side of the ball since the Louisville game

The back and forth passing near half court vs the zone.... dear god. There is no worse team at baseline OOB plays than UNC. Every single game a turnover and at best barely get the ball in. On the other side of it yesterday, giving up 2 points every time

Ian didn't shoot well obviously but more than that looked out of it on both sides. Lost on defense several times and didn't look much to attack or push offensively

I know he's still trying to get back 100% but not one of Seth's better games. Still reluctant in the half court to create or shoot and when paired with our bigs and/or Elliot it really does not work well

As for Elliot, I thought he sat for too long with 2 fouls and needed to play more. Team didn't look to push at all when he wasn't in. And 38 mins for RJ? Dude needs a break from time to time

Drake at 25 mins is coaching malpractice. Cade Tyson 3 mins for no reason whatsoever
 
Calheel said:
Powell, but depends somewhat on the service.

Fans have trouble understanding that NBA doesn't draft based on college production -- so even though Jackson is killing it this year, Powell still has certain physical tools that make him attractive to NBA teams.

There is more variance on Powell, and nothing is set in stone. But I'd be very surprised to see either of those guys in a UNC uniform next year.
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In the last batch of mock drafts, Jackson seems to have moved ahead. A few mocks have Ian between late lottery and the late teens of the first round while Drake is in the mid 20s.

I've always assumed both guys would go...late first round is always so risky because slipping to the second round is such a dropoff.
 
CRHeel94 said:
In the last batch of mock drafts, Jackson seems to have moved ahead. A few mocks have Ian between late lottery and the late teens of the first round while Drake is in the mid 20s.

I've always assumed both guys would go...late first round is always so risky because slipping to the second round is such a dropoff.
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Yeah, Ian has fairly comfortably moved ahead of Drake in draft projections. Seems unlikely Drake goes lottery unless he has a really strong late season

I still assume he will leave and gets taken in the teens-early 20s but it’s not 100% at this point

Strong draft class fwiw. I don’t think he’s underperformed or anything. The shooting has been maybe better than expected
 
Calheel said:
Powell, but depends somewhat on the service.

Fans have trouble understanding that NBA doesn't draft based on college production -- so even though Jackson is killing it this year, Powell still has certain physical tools that make him attractive to NBA teams.

There is more variance on Powell, and nothing is set in stone. But I'd be very surprised to see either of those guys in a UNC uniform next year.
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I have no idea if both will go, and I'm expecting that they will.

But that bit about the NBA not drafting on college production -- I'm not sure if that's accurate any more. It definitely was the case. But now the salary cap restrictions are getting tighter, so we're going to see more NFL and MLB style considerations: you've got a few years with a player before he becomes really expensive, so developmental prospects are a luxury that most teams will avoid. Look at Golden State and Kuminga. He's going to be an RFA. He will probably get at least $15M if not much more. He's not going to be a bargain any more, that's for sure. And what has GS gotten out of him? He's in his fourth year and he's a decent player, but he's not yet a finished product.
 
superrific said:
I have no idea if both will go, and I'm expecting that they will.

But that bit about the NBA not drafting on college production -- I'm not sure if that's accurate any more. It definitely was the case. But now the salary cap restrictions are getting tighter, so we're going to see more NFL and MLB style considerations: you've got a few years with a player before he becomes really expensive, so developmental prospects are a luxury that most teams will avoid. Look at Golden State and Kuminga. He's going to be an RFA. He will probably get at least $15M if not much more. He's not going to be a bargain any more, that's for sure. And what has GS gotten out of him? He's in his fourth year and he's a decent player, but he's not yet a finished product.
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Here's last year NBA draft:

www.nba.com

2024 NBA Draft Results: Picks 1-58

Recap every pick and reported trade from the 1st and 2nd rounds of the 2024 NBA Draft.
www.nba.com www.nba.com

You can compare the college player's stats. Not much correlation to college production. There are some college stars (like Edey at 9) but most of the non-foreigners are middle of the road college production.
 
Calheel said:
Here's last year NBA draft:

www.nba.com

2024 NBA Draft Results: Picks 1-58

Recap every pick and reported trade from the 1st and 2nd rounds of the 2024 NBA Draft.
www.nba.com www.nba.com

You can compare the college player's stats. Not much correlation to college production. There are some college stars (like Edey at 9) but most of the non-foreigners are middle of the road college production.
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Well, that was a weak draft. And the luxury tax provisions are only now taking full effect, I think.

I mean, maybe you're right but I have my doubts. I think teams are going to want guys who can play, not projects, in this luxury tax environment. It seems like everyone is busting their asses to get under the second apron. Why would you do all that and then pay a guy $4M a year to sit on the bench and develop?

I'm not saying that college production will be the only factor. And they aren't going to measure "can play" by college production alone. But I think present skill level will become more and more a part of the draft process. There are too many super-stars in the NBA who aren't toolsy but who are really fucking good. You can't appreciate Jokic or Doncic in an empty gym or in a scrimmage.
 
Heelsandeers said:
Yeah, Ian has fairly comfortably moved ahead of Drake in draft projections. Seems unlikely Drake goes lottery unless he has a really strong late season

I still assume he will leave and gets taken in the teens-early 20s but it’s not 100% at this point

Strong draft class fwiw. I don’t think he’s underperformed or anything. The shooting has been maybe better than expected
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Honestly, I think the upside potential for Powell may be higher than Jackson. I've been impressed with Drake's feel as a freshman for the game on both ends of the court. Plus, his vertical leaping ability must be in the top handful in the country. In the old days, if he stayed and mastered his shot & drive to the basket, he'd be a threat for All-American in a year or two. Jackson's offensive development is clearly higher than Powell's now; but, I'm not sure that will be the case in five years.
 
I think NIL has changed the dynamics...staying, making a million dollars, and keeping close to his family has to be a strong option for young men (and their parents) who are, after all, only 19.

Would not be surprised at all if Powell stayed.
 
Just think how the team is going to be next season without RJ, Powell Jackson and possibly Trimble, but with Hubert still as the coach.
 
TarSpiel said:
I think NIL has changed the dynamics...staying, making a million dollars, and keeping close to his family has to be a strong option for young men (and their parents) who are, after all, only 19.

Would not be surprised at all if Powell stayed.
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The big thing about getting to the pros for players likely to stay in the league for a good while isn't the first contract, it's getting the clock started on the second contract that offers a lot more money.

If Powell is reasonably secure that he's likely a long-time NBA player, then getting to the league and starting the clock on his second deal is likely a bigger deal than the money made next year.
 
TarSpiel said:
You have no reason to even suspect that Trimble won't be here, so just knock it off with your boo-hooing.
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You don't think he could transfer to a team that has a better shot at winning? RJ talked him into staying and he isn't going to be there amymore.
 
CarolinaFever said:
You don't think he could transfer to a team that has a better shot at winning? RJ talked him into staying and he isn't going to be there amymore.
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I think there is absolutely no reason at all to think that he's leaving. His family loves Carolina, he's close with JWash, James Brown and his family, and the whole Carolina community.

I think freaking out that he might leave to somewhere where he "has a better shot of winning" is just nuts.

Cadeau, Trimble, Tyson, Lubin, JWash, James Brown, possibly Powell, possibly Caleb Wilson, our new guards, and a couple of solid portal additions could be a fantastic lineup.
 
SnoopRob said:
The big thing about getting to the pros for players likely to stay in the league for a good while isn't the first contract, it's getting the clock started on the second contract that offers a lot more money.

If Powell is reasonably secure that he's likely a long-time NBA player, then getting to the league and starting the clock on his second deal is likely a bigger deal than the money made next year.
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All true, but different families have different ways they weigh the various factors.

If my son could make 1 million and stay near home and family and work on his education, as opposed to travelling around the country in the company of older men and all the hookers and blow, I'd 100% hope he'd stay and develop more physically and emotionally first. It would have been different before NIL...but as it is now the money he could make as a sophomore in college could buy him a home that would excuse him from mortgage or rent payments for the rest of his life. The only thing that would move the needle the other way is if staying could potentially *hurt* his NBA prospects...which who knows, in Powell's case it might.
 
SnoopRob said:
The big thing about getting to the pros for players likely to stay in the league for a good while isn't the first contract, it's getting the clock started on the second contract that offers a lot more money.

If Powell is reasonably secure that he's likely a long-time NBA player, then getting to the league and starting the clock on his second deal is likely a bigger deal than the money made next year.
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This right here.
 
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