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Centerpiece said:
Flagg's NIL valuation ballooned to $3.3 million - just by himself - in 2024. But that's not what dook is actually "giving" him. He got a ton of that through NIL deals with New Balance, etc.

Where Carolina missed out - and where more NIL deals could have helped - was in replacing Bacot with another big. All those bigs we missed out on. Does anyone argue that getting that one "big" wouldn't have made a huge difference with this team this season? If not, then yes, NIL would make a difference between 13-10 and say, 17-6.

Oh, but that's right, 17-6 still sux... so yeah, you're correct - more NIL would still not make any difference in this team or this season.

Ergo, screw more NIL... let's just fire Hubert and hire __________ (and not get any more NIL or a GM) and everything's going to be just dandy. We don't have to play the NIL game like the Alabama's or the dook's... we got this! Screw more NIL money - as it obviously makes no difference! It's a cheap excuse!
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It’s been confirmed repeatedly that NIL wasn’t the sole reason that we didn’t land a big from the transfer portal.

That’s not the only issue with this team either. Yes, not having a legitimate post presence this season hurts and is exacerbating other weaknesses. There’s also no guarantee that a new center would have completely masked the fact that we have terrible size at the guard and wing positions or been worth an extra X amount of wins.

Not sure what point you’re even trying to make with the last paragraph. I don’t think anyone advocating for a new coach is saying that they also don’t want more NIL and a GM to go along with that. You’re beating up a straw man.
 
TarSpiel said:
And you think he should *not* be trying to make changes to save his job?!
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I absolutely agree that he should be making changes to save his job. What I was getting at is that, to make these statements, at this point in the season, smacks of Hubert being told that his job is in jeopardy. Oh we don't have enough coaches. Oh we don't have a GM. Oh we don't have enough NIL. Who's been in charge of the program while all that's been going on (or rather, not been going on, as the case may be)?

And, this statement is fresh off of his comment after the dook game when he said that the team, after 23(!) games, is still not playing up to its potential. Like, no shit Sherlock. Whose fault is that?
 
Centerpiece said:
"If we don't win..."
"If" a frog had wings...
We finished 29-10 against the 19th most difficult schedule in the country that year. Our SOS rating was 10.3. Kansas was rated #1 at 12.0.
dook that year was rated #22 in SOS - behind us - at 10.2
But yeah, we sucked.
We were 17-6 before the first dook game, with all 6 losses on the road/away from home - versus a top 20 schedule.
17-6. Yeah, sure... that's not "great" compared to a traditional Carolina season... but 17-6 against that schedule is not what one should call "terrible" and "we sucked" then.
If we were so terrible that season, how did we beat dook 2x times? How did we make it to the final game with a 15 point halftime lead?
Yes, we weren't playing that "great" the first semester... 17-6... but it wasn't "terrible/we sucked"
And after that first dook game, we go 12-3. Ooh we lost 3 out of 15 - we sucked then too I guess.
No, 2021-2022 wasn't a stupendously great season by old-school Carolina standards... but to say we sucked "except for the last month" is ludicrous.
I said we've had 1.5 good seasons vs. 2 bad ones.
The first season was 4 months long. The first 2 months were so-so... the last 2 months were great. Thus: half the season was good basketball. That's all I'm saying. Please quit trying to re-write history with this "only had one good month" that season.
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The person I quoted was the one who brought up us not beating dook and thought we were safely in the field even if we'd have lost. I was merely responding to that idea by saying we were a bubble team if we hadn't beat dook and showing how we would have been.

The rest of your post is you having breakdown of some sort responding to God knows what.

I have no idea why you thought my post needed any of that, but it's clear you were wrong.
 
Dook at $24m in NIL compared to $3m for us was asked as a question on IC from someone who had heard it as a rumor and it was thoroughly debunked.

From what was said, no one knows the exact numbers and dook almost certainly has an advantage on us, but it's a lot less than that.
 
guys, just exactly how good we were for how long in 2022 really isn't relevant.

HD's tenure so far is simply not up to standard, regardless. i've really been in his corner in the past but he's lost me over the last couple of months.

team just isn't good enough. fringe top 20-25 team with our clear deficiencies and roster imbalances, sure. instead we're headed for the NIT.
 
Peppers49 said:
I feel like NIL is a cheap excuse.
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Not me, I feel like it's 100% valid and the most important factor going on right now in our program, our season, and college basketball generally.

If it's true that our NIL people were caught flat-footed last year, and have made the changes to get ready for the new landscape of college basketball and the new portal season, then I'm really interested to see what we're going to be able to do with our roster going forward.
 
Just give us Cooper Flagg in exchange for one of our front court players (pick 'em) and then lets play another game & see how it goes then.
 
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Centerpiece said:
Flagg's NIL valuation ballooned to $3.3 million - just by himself - in 2024. But that's not what dook is actually "giving" him. He got a ton of that through NIL deals with New Balance, etc.

Where Carolina missed out - and where more NIL deals could have helped - was in replacing Bacot with another big. All those bigs we missed out on. Does anyone argue that getting that one "big" wouldn't have made a huge difference with this team this season? If not, then yes, NIL would make a difference between 13-10 and say, 17-6.

Oh, but that's right, 17-6 still sux... so yeah, you're correct - more NIL would still not make any difference in this team or this season.

Ergo, screw more NIL... let's just fire Hubert and hire __________ (and not get any more NIL or a GM) and everything's going to be just dandy. We don't have to play the NIL game like the Alabama's or the dook's... we got this! Screw more NIL money - as it obviously makes no difference! It's a cheap excuse!
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This is UNC any nonzero number after the dash in our record sucks. Every year has to be a National championship contender year.

😁
 
I trust Justin Jackson more than any other analyst when it comes to this stuff, and he thinks that a legit big would have completely transformed this team...that the downstream effects of it would have been pretty comprehensive. I think our staff hoped JWash would be that guy, but didn't feel comfortable planning on it. Sort of caught in no-man's land.

Yea, we missed on bigs last portal season. Yea, most of that blame can probably be put on Coach Davis. Let's see what he's learned from that experience going forward. I bet he doesn't make the same mistake twice.
 
I googled Blue Steel and, as I assume he's not talking about the Zoolander joke, there's a John Wayne movie and a Kathryn Bigelow-Jamie Lee Curtis movie. Do you guys get the reference in relation to Coach Frederick who is bald?

I'm just curious.

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Rock said:
I googled Blue Steel and, as I assume he's not talking about the Zoolander joke, there's a John Wayne movie and a Kathryn Bigelow-Jamie Lee Curtis movie. Do you guys get the reference in relation to Coach Frederick who is bald?

I'm just curious.

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Blue Steel was the nickname for a group of walk-ons in 2010-2011.

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Wilson: Talking hoops with Blue Steel

Group's self-deprecating Twitter feed has more than 6,000 followers
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I'm guessing that he's referencing that Frederick was an end of bench player rather than a starter during his playing days at Carolina.
 
SnoopRob said:
Blue Steel was the nickname for a group of walk-ons in 2010-2011.

www.espn.com

Wilson: Talking hoops with Blue Steel

Group's self-deprecating Twitter feed has more than 6,000 followers
www.espn.com www.espn.com

I'm guessing that he's referencing that Frederick was an end of bench player rather than a starter during his playing days at Carolina.
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Yep, Blue Steel is what we used to call the “the blue team,” which is what we called the walk-ons and other players who would typically come in at the end of blowouts.
 
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4thgenheel said:
guys, just exactly how good we were for how long in 2022 really isn't relevant.

HD's tenure so far is simply not up to standard, regardless. i've really been in his corner in the past but he's lost me over the last couple of months.
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Right, so much back and forth on this (3 years now) and it does not matter. The same issues have been present in years 2, 3, 4

Never expected perfection from the start, but at the very least thought by now we'd see a willingness to adapt and change things that aren't working
 
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Haven't thought about this season/team since Saturday night

They really came out with Trimble on Flagg throwing wild doubles at him on the perimeter...

Will be an extra hungry Pitt team tomorrow, coming off a terrible home loss to Virginia
 
Updated Bracketology this morning is sobering. t has UNC in the "Next Four Out" (so essentially team #74 in the 68-team field). Pitt, our opponent tomorrow, is #73. We've put ourselves into a position where we can probably only afford 1 more loss to feel like we've got a solid chance of an at-large bid on Selection Sunday (assuming, of course, we win some ACCT games). We are 6-5 in the ACC and it feels to me like 14-6 in the league is probably the line of demarcation at which point anything below (like 13-7) would be sweating bullets on Selection Sunday. The grim reality is not only that we're going to have to win one of the @Clemson/vs. Duke games (IMO) but we're going to have to run the table against the Pitt/Syracuse/NC State/Virginia/Miami/FSU/VT crew. Like, we probably cannot afford a single loss amongst that group now unless it's inexplicably offset by something like beating both Duke and Clemson.
 
Rock said:
I googled Blue Steel and, as I assume he's not talking about the Zoolander joke, there's a John Wayne movie and a Kathryn Bigelow-Jamie Lee Curtis movie. Do you guys get the reference in relation to Coach Frederick who is bald?

I'm just curious.

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IIRC, Pat got a lot of input with the playbook when he first joined the staff.
 
CFordUNC said:
Updated Bracketology this morning is sobering. t has UNC in the "Next Four Out" (so essentially team #74 in the 68-team field). Pitt, our opponent tomorrow, is #73. We've put ourselves into a position where we can probably only afford 1 more loss to feel like we've got a solid chance of an at-large bid on Selection Sunday (assuming, of course, we win some ACCT games). We are 6-5 in the ACC and it feels to me like 14-6 in the league is probably the line of demarcation at which point anything below (like 13-7) would be sweating bullets on Selection Sunday. The grim reality is not only that we're going to have to win one of the @Clemson/vs. Duke games (IMO) but we're going to have to run the table against the Pitt/Syracuse/NC State/Virginia/Miami/FSU/VT crew. Like, we probably cannot afford a single loss amongst that group now unless it's inexplicably offset by something like beating both Duke and Clemson.
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Using Bart Torvik's teamcast, it looks like we can make it if we go 7-2 to close out the year, but we'd be right on the edge and we'd need there to be minimal bid thieves and we'd almost certainly have to win our first ACCT game.

I'm not saying that to disagree with you, because I think 7-2 puts us squarely into "sweating bullets on Selection Sunday" territory...but it does make me feel a little better about our chances.
 
SnoopRob said:
Using Bart Torvik's teamcast, it looks like we can make it if we go 7-2 to close out the year, but we'd be right on the edge and we'd need there to be minimal bid thieves and we'd almost certainly have to win our first ACCT game.

I'm not saying that to disagree with you, because I think 7-2 puts us squarely into "sweating bullets on Selection Sunday" territory...but it does make me feel a little better about our chances.
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Oh nice! That actually makes me feel a little better because I was thinking I can't see any way in which we go 8-1 the rest of the way.
 
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