It's understandable that we aren't competing with the dook's of the world if our NIL is so woefully underfunded, although those numbers don't seem accurate to me. But that doesn't change the fact that this roster should be better than barely over 500 in a terrible ACC.
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Is that accurate?
If so, Jeez. Explains a lot.
But that can't be right. We have to be spending more than 3 mil.
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And you think he should *not* be trying to make changes to save his job?!
Carolina Fever
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Agree with both. How is a program like UNC not one of the top 5 in getting money, though?
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"If we don't win..."
"If" a frog had wings...
We finished 29-10 against the 19th most difficult schedule in the country that year. Our SOS rating was 10.3. Kansas was rated #1 at 12.0.
dook that year was rated #22 in SOS - behind us - at 10.2
But yeah, we sucked.
We were 17-6 before the first dook game, with all 6 losses on the road/away from home - versus a top 20 schedule.
17-6. Yeah, sure... that's not "great" compared to a traditional Carolina season... but 17-6 against that schedule is not what one should call "terrible" and "we sucked" then.
If we were so terrible that season, how did we beat dook 2x times? How did we make it to the final game with a 15 point halftime lead?
Yes, we weren't playing that "great" the first semester... 17-6... but it wasn't "terrible/we sucked"
And after that first dook game, we go 12-3. Ooh we lost 3 out of 15 - we sucked then too I guess.
No, 2021-2022 wasn't a stupendously great season by old-school Carolina standards... but to say we sucked "except for the last month" is ludicrous.
I said we've had 1.5 good seasons vs. 2 bad ones.
The first season was 4 months long. The first 2 months were so-so... the last 2 months were great. Thus: half the season was good basketball. That's all I'm saying. Please quit trying to re-write history with this "only had one good month" that season.
I'm not 100% sure about that, I'm quoting somebody else on another site... but I'll bet we're not spending 1/2 as much s dook. And as you say, that explains a lot, even if just 1/2 as much.
I feel like NIL is a cheap excuse. If you want to say that our NIL situation is the difference between being a fringe top 25 team that maybe makes a S16 appearance and being a legitimate national championship contender that could at least make Dook work to win the ACC, then I could buy that for sure. It does not account for a 13-10 record, being down by 30 during the first half against Dook when NCST took them to the wire a few days prior, losing to teams like Stanford and Wake Forest, and letting one of the worst teams in the country in BC take you to OT at home. We probably spend more on NIL than those latter 3 programs combined. I also highly, highly doubt that Dook is spending 8x as much as we are on NIL this season. Would be very curious where people got that number.
I agree with all of this. It also took a miracle 4 point play in the last 10 seconds to beat 10-11 Notre Dame. NIL may be an issue for competing in the top ten, but it's no excuse to not be in the top 40.
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Flagg's NIL valuation ballooned to $3.3 million - just by himself - in 2024. But that's not what dook is actually "giving" him. He got a ton of that through NIL deals with New Balance, etc.
Where Carolina missed out - and where more NIL deals could have helped - was in replacing Bacot with another big. All those bigs we missed out on. Does anyone argue that getting that one "big" wouldn't have made a huge difference with this team this season? If not, then yes, NIL would make a difference between 13-10 and say, 17-6.
Oh, but that's right, 17-6 still sux... so yeah, you're correct - more NIL would still not make any difference in this team or this season.
Ergo, screw more NIL... let's just fire Hubert and hire __________ (and not get any more NIL or a GM) and everything's going to be just dandy. We don't have to play the NIL game like the Alabama's or the dook's... we got this! Screw more NIL money - as it obviously makes no difference! It's a cheap excuse!
Where Carolina missed out - and where more NIL deals could have helped - was in replacing Bacot with another big. All those bigs we missed out on. Does anyone argue that getting that one "big" wouldn't have made a huge difference with this team this season? If not, then yes, NIL would make a difference between 13-10 and say, 17-6.
Oh, but that's right, 17-6 still sux... so yeah, you're correct - more NIL would still not make any difference in this team or this season.
Ergo, screw more NIL... let's just fire Hubert and hire __________ (and not get any more NIL or a GM) and everything's going to be just dandy. We don't have to play the NIL game like the Alabama's or the dook's... we got this! Screw more NIL money - as it obviously makes no difference! It's a cheap excuse!
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That would mean they’re paying more for their basketball team than tOSU is for their football team. So…seems like that number is probably way lower.
It’s been confirmed repeatedly that NIL wasn’t the sole reason that we didn’t land a big from the transfer portal.
That’s not the only issue with this team either. Yes, not having a legitimate post presence this season hurts and is exacerbating other weaknesses. There’s also no guarantee that a new center would have completely masked the fact that we have terrible size at the guard and wing positions or been worth an extra X amount of wins.
Not sure what point you’re even trying to make with the last paragraph. I don’t think anyone advocating for a new coach is saying that they also don’t want more NIL and a GM to go along with that. You’re beating up a straw man.
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I absolutely agree that he should be making changes to save his job. What I was getting at is that, to make these statements, at this point in the season, smacks of Hubert being told that his job is in jeopardy. Oh we don't have enough coaches. Oh we don't have a GM. Oh we don't have enough NIL. Who's been in charge of the program while all that's been going on (or rather, not been going on, as the case may be)?
And, this statement is fresh off of his comment after the dook game when he said that the team, after 23(!) games, is still not playing up to its potential. Like, no shit Sherlock. Whose fault is that?
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The person I quoted was the one who brought up us not beating dook and thought we were safely in the field even if we'd have lost. I was merely responding to that idea by saying we were a bubble team if we hadn't beat dook and showing how we would have been.
The rest of your post is you having breakdown of some sort responding to God knows what.
I have no idea why you thought my post needed any of that, but it's clear you were wrong.
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Dook at $24m in NIL compared to $3m for us was asked as a question on IC from someone who had heard it as a rumor and it was thoroughly debunked.
From what was said, no one knows the exact numbers and dook almost certainly has an advantage on us, but it's a lot less than that.
From what was said, no one knows the exact numbers and dook almost certainly has an advantage on us, but it's a lot less than that.
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guys, just exactly how good we were for how long in 2022 really isn't relevant.
HD's tenure so far is simply not up to standard, regardless. i've really been in his corner in the past but he's lost me over the last couple of months.
team just isn't good enough. fringe top 20-25 team with our clear deficiencies and roster imbalances, sure. instead we're headed for the NIT.
HD's tenure so far is simply not up to standard, regardless. i've really been in his corner in the past but he's lost me over the last couple of months.
team just isn't good enough. fringe top 20-25 team with our clear deficiencies and roster imbalances, sure. instead we're headed for the NIT.
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Not me, I feel like it's 100% valid and the most important factor going on right now in our program, our season, and college basketball generally.
If it's true that our NIL people were caught flat-footed last year, and have made the changes to get ready for the new landscape of college basketball and the new portal season, then I'm really interested to see what we're going to be able to do with our roster going forward.
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This is UNC any nonzero number after the dash in our record sucks. Every year has to be a National championship contender year.
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We might be better with their center.
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I trust Justin Jackson more than any other analyst when it comes to this stuff, and he thinks that a legit big would have completely transformed this team...that the downstream effects of it would have been pretty comprehensive. I think our staff hoped JWash would be that guy, but didn't feel comfortable planning on it. Sort of caught in no-man's land.
Yea, we missed on bigs last portal season. Yea, most of that blame can probably be put on Coach Davis. Let's see what he's learned from that experience going forward. I bet he doesn't make the same mistake twice.
Yea, we missed on bigs last portal season. Yea, most of that blame can probably be put on Coach Davis. Let's see what he's learned from that experience going forward. I bet he doesn't make the same mistake twice.