UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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stankeylegjones said:
I haven't listened to this yet, but Joel and TVipp discuss HD getting another year: Up in the Rafters: The Hubert Davis Question
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I've listened to it, it's ok.

I think Taylor is asking the right questions, I've got nothing but respect for Taylor Vippolis.

I've come to realize that no one with any real connection to the program is going to come out and actually say that where we're at is largely HD's fault and that moving on is the right step. I'm sure that's the case for a variety of reasons and I'm not saying I wouldn't share that response if I were connected to the program, but none of these takes are terribly interesting (IMHO) because they're all essentially a repackaging of why HD shouldn't really be held responsible for the state of the program.
 
Do we really want to make the tournament and lose first round?

Maybe it's an NIT year. Maybe we could win one there.

If this were the old days and we knew the core of this team would be back then more games would help. Considering the modern game, it might be best to get it over with and start recruiting the portal for next season.
 
SnoopRob said:
I've listened to it, it's ok.

I think Taylor is asking the right questions, I've got nothing but respect for Taylor Vippolis.

I've come to realize that no one with any real connection to the program is going to come out and actually say that where we're at is largely HD's fault and that moving on is the right step. I'm sure that's the case for a variety of reasons and I'm not saying I wouldn't share that response if I were connected to the program, but none of these takes are terribly interesting (IMHO) because they're all essentially a repackaging of why HD shouldn't really be held responsible for the state of the program.
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I agree. It was meh for me too, at least what Joel was saying. TVipp did ask the right questions. I don't think Joel gave his absolute honest opinion, for whatever reason(s). I don't understand his eluding to it not being because of HD that UNC doesn't already have a GM either. It's pretty well documented that HD was not in favor of having a GM (not sure if he's changed his mind on that, or if admin said it was a must).
 
It was also Hubert's job to put the team together. So, if you're going to say it's all on the players, then Hubert has to take responsibility for putting together the team he has. I think it's a combination of that and the coaching, which puts most of the responsibility on Hubert. I don't think he does a good job of adjusting, doesn't coach for the team and players he has and tries to force an offense on them that is not situated for the team he has. It worked last year because they had Bacot, but hasn't worked for nearly three other seasons, and it doesn't give the team he has the best possible chance of winning.
 
University leadership is leaning toward building a new North Carolina men’s basketball arena complex at the off-campus Carolina North location to replace the Dean E. Smith Center after months of consideration, according to multiple sources familiar with the process.

The Carolina North site is located at the northwest corner of Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Estes Drive in Chapel Hill, where Horace Williams Airport was located until closing in May 2018.
 
SnoopRob said:
I've listened to it, it's ok.

I think Taylor is asking the right questions, I've got nothing but respect for Taylor Vippolis.

I've come to realize that no one with any real connection to the program is going to come out and actually say that where we're at is largely HD's fault and that moving on is the right step. I'm sure that's the case for a variety of reasons and I'm not saying I wouldn't share that response if I were connected to the program, but none of these takes are terribly interesting (IMHO) because they're all essentially a repackaging of why HD shouldn't really be held responsible for the state of the program.
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I can tell you based on some interactions and conversations with people that would be considered "close to the program" including those in media that they are all well aware that their connection to the program would be severed the instant they levy any real criticism. HD is portrayed by those folks I talk to as being exceptionally stubborn and unwilling to accept ownership of any of the shortcomings of the current team or the program overall. Take that for what it is worth.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I can tell you based on some interactions and conversations with people that would be considered "close to the program" including those in media that they are all well aware that their connection to the program would be severed the instant they levy any real criticism. HD is portrayed by those folks I talk to as being exceptionally stubborn and unwilling to accept ownership of any of the shortcomings of the current team or the program overall. Take that for what it is worth.
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If that is the case then I think his days as the head UNC men's basketball coach are definitely numbered. It's one thing to believe in yourself and to believe in your system, it's another to be so blindly stubborn that you refuse to adapt to the team you have and to insist that they stick to your schemes and system that clearly hasn't been effective nearly all season long. It's one thing to be a system coach - Roy Williams was to a great extent - but you need to be flexible enough to work with the team you've got (and Williams was for the most part). If Davis isn't willing to do that then it is unlikely that he's going to be any more successful moving forward than he was this year, imo.
 
Bigs23 said:
What will it take win wise to get in?
21?
22?
23?
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The absolute minimum is 21, but that would almost certainly put us right at the center of the bubble and it could go either way at that point.

We’d likely need 22 to have any sort of confidence.

My most reasonable hope is we go 5-1 to close the regular season and 1-1 in the ACCT (while being respectable in both losses) and that we get into Dayton out of respect for our tough OOC schedule.
 
SnoopRob said:
The absolute minimum is 21, but that would almost certainly put us right at the center of the bubble and it could go either way at that point.

We’d likely need 22 to have any sort of confidence.
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We won't get any sort of a benefit of the doubt. I'd say 22 is bare minimum and confidence only comes at 23.
 
wmheel1287 said:
We won't get any sort of a benefit of the doubt. I'd say 22 is bare minimum and confidence only comes at 23.
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I added a bit after you quoted, my hope is our strong OOC schedule gets us a little bounce compared to the rest of the bubble teams.

The exact situation I lay out puts us in according to Bart Torvik's Teamcast, with a couple of spots to spare and a 52.4% chance of making it.

From an advanced metrics perspective, the fact that we've been rarely blown out helps us a little, especially given our strong OOC schedule.

Our margin is really thin no matter how you look at it.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I can tell you based on some interactions and conversations with people that would be considered "close to the program" including those in media that they are all well aware that their connection to the program would be severed the instant they levy any real criticism. HD is portrayed by those folks I talk to as being exceptionally stubborn and unwilling to accept ownership of any of the shortcomings of the current team or the program overall. Take that for what it is worth.
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Thank you for sharing this.
 
SnoopRob said:
I added a bit after you quoted, my hope is our strong OOC schedule gets us a little bounce compared to the rest of the bubble teams.

The exact situation I lay out puts us in according to Bart Torvik's Teamcast, with a couple of spots to spare and a 52.4% chance of making it.

From an advanced metrics perspective, the fact that we've been rarely blown out helps us a little, especially given our strong OOC schedule.

Our margin is really thin no matter how you look at it.
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But that gets derailed when there are upsets in conference tournaments to get automatic bids and the number of at-large bids available shrinks accordingly. And it happens every year.
 
mpaer said:
University leadership is leaning toward building a new North Carolina men’s basketball arena complex at the off-campus Carolina North location to replace the Dean E. Smith Center after months of consideration, according to multiple sources familiar with the process.

The Carolina North site is located at the northwest corner of Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Estes Drive in Chapel Hill, where Horace Williams Airport was located until closing in May 2018.
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They also want to make a smaller arena with more premium seating for donors. Aka a very quiet, very sterile, very boring home atmosphere.
 
circlesky88 said:
We lose one more regular season game other than dook I don’t see a way in outside of winning the tournament. We are playing some bad teams and any loss would be devastating.
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Unless they beat dook…which seems highly unlikely.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I can tell you based on some interactions and conversations with people that would be considered "close to the program" including those in media that they are all well aware that their connection to the program would be severed the instant they levy any real criticism. HD is portrayed by those folks I talk to as being exceptionally stubborn and unwilling to accept ownership of any of the shortcomings of the current team or the program overall. Take that for what it is worth.
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If true, super depressing, but kind of a sign of the broader times.
 
farce© said:
But that gets derailed when there are upsets in conference tournaments to get automatic bids and the number of at-large bids available shrinks accordingly. And it happens every year.
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Sure, which is why I originally said we’d be smack in the middle of the bubble and we need 22 wins to have any confidence.

There is a path to the tourney for us simply winning “the games we should”, but it’s a very, very narrow path.
 
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