UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Bigs23 said:
What will it take win wise to get in?
21?
22?
23?
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Every season is different so these numbers are relatively meaningless with regard to this season, but the worst records we’ve had and still gotten in were:
18-13 (2000)
19-12 (1990)
18-10 (2004)
18-10 (2021) (It’s funny that the team’s record as of selection Sunday was the exact same in Roy’s last year as it was his first year at UNC, and the year after each of those years the Heels played in the national championship game.)
20-10 (1996)

Of course we did not get in 2023 with a 20-13 record.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
If that is the case then I think his days as the head UNC men's basketball coach are definitely numbered. It's one thing to believe in yourself and to believe in your system, it's another to be so blindly stubborn that you refuse to adapt to the team you have and to insist that they stick to your schemes and system that clearly hasn't been effective nearly all season long. It's one thing to be a system coach - Roy Williams was to a great extent - but you need to be flexible enough to work with the team you've got (and Williams was for the most part). If Davis isn't willing to do that then it is unlikely that he's going to be any more successful moving forward than he was this year, imo.
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I think that’s it - but even more, the bit about being “unwilling to accept ownership”. Aside from being stubborn and unwilling to change your tactics based on personnel, but not taking ownership and not having the buck stop at your desk is the unforgivable act. If that is truly the case. Hubert needs to be put out to pasture. Roy and Dean were the first to say “I was out-coached” or “I didn’t have my team prepared” or some such. Has Hubert ever uttered anything close to that?
 
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I think they're going to have to beat Duke, either in the regular season finale, or in the ACC tournament. There are no games left for them to show that they belong in the tournament. It's going to be hard to pass over teams like UT, who will have a similar record but many more quad 1 wins. UNC will be 1-11 (I think) in quad 1 games if they don't beat Duke. Even then, it's going to be hard to explain why they'd get in over a team with a similar record but better wins. To be safe, beat Duke once, win out the regular season, and make it to the semifinals.
 
Bigs23 said:
That Stanford loss…:mad:
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Well, it easily could have been that ND loss, or that State loss. Or to a lesser extent, that GT loss. When you play with fire with bad teams, you are going to lose some of them. Can't really be upset about Stanford, when we got a gift at ND. Win some, lose some.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I can tell you based on some interactions and conversations with people that would be considered "close to the program" including those in media that they are all well aware that their connection to the program would be severed the instant they levy any real criticism. HD is portrayed by those folks I talk to as being exceptionally stubborn and unwilling to accept ownership of any of the shortcomings of the current team or the program overall. Take that for what it is worth.
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I have no insider-information, but I can see why this would be true, given his post-game pressers.
 
Calheel said:
Well, it easily could have been that ND loss, or that State loss. Or to a lesser extent, that GT loss. When you play with fire with bad teams, you are going to lose some of them. Can't really be upset about Stanford, when we got a gift at ND. Win some, lose some.
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True but there’s also the Kansas, Fla, MSU, and Wake losses. Win any of those and things are a bit better.

Stanford is the worst loss at home when things were looking a bit better. That’s the one that caused the most damage.
 
The Virginia game next weekend will be dangerous. Their record is very average (13-12, 6-8 ACC) but they’ve been playing a lot better over the last few weeks. Would have won 5 of the last 6 if not for a buzzer beater at home against Virginia Tech. (They’ve also lost buzzer beaters against SMU and Memphis this season) Over that span, they’ve been playing like the 13th best team in the country according to Bart Torvik with their best offensive stretch since their 2019 title team. Obviously they are still not a very good team but they’re playing well enough lately that they could beat us, and another Q3 home loss would be the final nail in the coffin.
 
superrific said:
We are 48 on kenpom.com. That's not a tourney team. It wasn't any particular loss that caused so much damage. The team just isn't very good.
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Some teams that aren’t that good get into the tourney every year.

It’s better to be in than not.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
They also want to make a smaller arena with more premium seating for donors. Aka a very quiet, very sterile, very boring home atmosphere.
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I dont think that will be the result at all. The premium seating will be largely removed from the court and the the students will largely be concentrated around the court. Also, the premium seating in a new arena will be up for grabs and largely populated by middle age or slightly younger alums rather than the current folks in the lower level of the Smith Center who have a median age of 75.
 
Calheel said:
Well, it easily could have been that ND loss, or that State loss. Or to a lesser extent, that GT loss. When you play with fire with bad teams, you are going to lose some of them. Can't really be upset about Stanford, when we got a gift at ND. Win some, lose some.
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True, playing with fire you sometimes get burned. But Stanford was a home game. They lost it. All of those other games they won.
 
superrific said:
We are 48 on kenpom.com. That's not a tourney team. It wasn't any particular loss that caused so much damage. The team just isn't very good.
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It’s true we are not a particularly a very good team, but being 48 in Kenpom is not a deal breaker in and of itself. Nevada made the field last year as an at-large rated #62 Kenpom.

In the 2024 NCAA Tournament, some other teams that were considered to be among the worst at-large teams included: Utah State Aggies, Texas A&M Aggies, Northwestern Wildcats, South Carolina Gamecocks, and Virginia Cavaliers.
 
Centerpiece said:
It’s true we are not a particularly a very good team, but being 48 in Kenpom is not a deal breaker in and of itself. Nevada made the field last year as an at-large rated #62 Kenpom.

In the 2024 NCAA Tournament, some other teams that were considered to be among the worst at-large teams included: Utah State Aggies, Texas A&M Aggies, Northwestern Wildcats, South Carolina Gamecocks, and Virginia Cavaliers.
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The deal breaker will be their quad 1 record.
 
Centerpiece said:
It’s true we are not a particularly a very good team, but being 48 in Kenpom is not a deal breaker in and of itself.
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It's not, but it's indicative of the problem. Stanford is #90. Teams that are #48 do sometimes lose to #90 teams. Teams that are #10 rarely do. BTW, we are closer to Stanford in terms of net rating than we are to top 20.
 
superrific said:
It's not, but it's indicative of the problem. Stanford is #90. Teams that are #48 do sometimes lose to #90 teams. Teams that are #10 rarely do. BTW, we are closer to Stanford in terms of net rating than we are to top 20.
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All true. And we are closer to playing as well (or as poorly) as Stanford than we are a top 20. At this point, it is what it is. If the selections were today, I certainly wouldn’t select our team… regardless of kenpom rating.
 
Despite my initial assessment from the Kansas game, it's clear now that this isn't a good team. Had we gotten that big from Zona that went to Indiana, perhaps. But we didn't.

I like Hubert, but it has become clear to me that he is not the answer. I tend to trust in Roy, but even Roy can get things wrong, as he sometimes did.

Hubert bought himself a lot of time with that incredible title game run his first year. The fact he had a 1 seed last year also didn't hurt.

But he's not the answer. The whiff on a true big through the portal this year sealed it. We'll probably give him another year, but I doubt it amounts to anything. His success was from Roy's players.

That being said, I think we ought to make a serious play for Jay Wright. Time to get out of the family. Get his ass out of the booth. I imagine it was NIL that made him quit. But throw $8-10 million in there and give him a NIL person. I think he would be a cultural fit.

One of the things that tore my rear up was seeing that we gave Billichick $30 million for the football program. I get it. It's a new era. And we're obviously making a play for realignment. But we had that kind of money all along? What the hell!

We're an historic basketball program. How anyone with actual money can just let that go to rot is beyond me! I refuse to believe it.

Get Jay Wright in here and win some titles again.
 
MendotoManteo said:
Despite my initial assessment from the Kansas game, it's clear now that this isn't a good team. Had we gotten that big from Zona that went to Indiana, perhaps. But we didn't.

I like Hubert, but it has become clear to me that he is not the answer. I tend to trust in Roy, but even Roy can get things wrong, as he sometimes did.

Hubert bought himself a lot of time with that incredible title game run his first year. The fact he had a 1 seed last year also didn't hurt.

But he's not the answer. The whiff on a true big through the portal this year sealed it. We'll probably give him another year, but I doubt it amounts to anything. His success was from Roy's players.

That being said, I think we ought to make a serious play for Jay Wright. Time to get out of the family. Get his ass out of the booth. I imagine it was NIL that made him quit. But throw $8-10 million in there and give him a NIL person. I think he would be a cultural fit.

One of the things that tore my rear up was seeing that we gave Billichick $30 million for the football program. I get it. It's a new era. And we're obviously making a play for realignment. But we had that kind of money all along? What the hell!

We're an historic basketball program. How anyone with actual money can just let that go to rot is beyond me! I refuse to believe it.

Get Jay Wright in here and win some titles again.
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Highly unlikely that Jay Wright comes back to CBB.
 
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