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I do worry about the fact that there is no sure-fire coaching candidate this time. When Doherty imploded it was clear that Roy Williams was waiting in the wings. This time there is no one. No one from the UNC coaching tree has been such a success that they would be guaranteed to be better than Davis, including Wes Miller. Many of the big-name coaches out there right now, like Bruce Pearl or Nate Oats or Scott Drew, either have a history of being sleazeballs or at least shady activities in their past. Maybe an NBA coach might be enticed to come, but there's no guarantee that they will be a success. I'm not saying that we shouldn't replace Davis if things don't turn around, but there is definitely more uncertainty this time than there was when Doherty was let go.
 
Peppers49 said:
High level coaches that would be candidates for the UNC job if/when it opens up again understand that the expectations are high and that there isn’t as much leeway for down seasons like coaches might get at some of the middle/lower tier programs. I seriously doubt that’s going to be a deal breaker that makes them turn down the job if they were actually interested in it in the first place.
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It may give some pause about wanting the job though.

High level candidates have options.
 
I wonder if the athletic department will even have enough money to hire a big name coach given how much they doled out to hire Belichick.
 
Bigs23 said:
It may give some pause about wanting the job though.

High level candidates have options.
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No offense, but this is a very, very, very silly concern.

We're fucking North Carolina, a top 3 (at worst) program in college basketball.

As long as we have our shit together (meaning we come with a competitive offer for pay for the HC & staff and we can show we have a good commitment to revenue sharing and NIL), we'll have good options that would be willing to come here.

While I don't think we're in a position where we can attract any coach we want, it is absolutely silly to believe that we couldn't attract a reasonably proven, highly competent coach to Chapel Hill.

And it's even sillier to suggest that such a concern should give any significant pause in moving on from a coach who has shown that he isn't up to even the most minimal standards that accompany Carolina Basketball.
 
SnoopRob said:
No offense, but this is a very, very, very silly concern.

We're fucking North Carolina, a top 3 (at worst) program in college basketball.

As long as we have our shit together (meaning we come with a competitive offer for pay for the HC & staff and we can show we have a good commitment to revenue sharing and NIL), we'll have good options that would be willing to come here.

While I don't think we're in a position where we can attract any coach we want, it is absolutely silly to believe that we couldn't attract a reasonably proven, highly competent coach to Chapel Hill.

And it's even sillier to suggest that such a concern should give any significant pause in moving on from a coach who has shown that he isn't up to even the most minimal standards that accompany Carolina Basketball.
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UNC hired Matt Doherty once.

It’s also a different world now. Big money can be made everywhere. Coaches with options may want a more stable, controllable environment.
 
I'd make a move for Dusty May if i were making a move. Michigan has DEEEEEEP pockets but they just will never be UNC in basketball and May knows that.

He's a proven winner. He's 49 years old. He's turned that program around in a year after taking Florida Atlantic to the Final 4.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I'd make a move for Dusty May if i were making a move. Michigan has DEEEEEEP pockets but they just will never be UNC in basketball and May knows that.

He's a proven winner. He's 49 years old. He's turned that program around in a year after taking Florida Atlantic to the Final 4.
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Michigan is a better job as long as UNC is in the ACC.
 
I would think Dusty would be interested in going home to Bloomington if he were going to leave Michigan, right?
 
CFordUNC said:
I would think Dusty would be interested in going home to Bloomington if he were going to leave Michigan, right?
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I dont see Indiana as being a terribly desirable top tier job. It has been 40 years since they won a national title and 23 years since their last Elite 8 appearance.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I dont see Indiana as being a terribly desirable top tier job. It has been 40 years since they won a national title and 23 years since their last Elite 8 appearance.
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Yeah, I’m with you, I would think Michigan is a better job overall these days than Indiana.
 
Can see both sides here. In my opinion the 4 traditional blue blood programs are still the top 4 jobs in the country. I’m sure there are plenty of really good coaches out there that any of those programs would at least kick the tires on in the event that their job opens up, that would say “thanks but no thanks” because they are content in their current situation and simply don’t have any interest in taking on a job with such high levels of pressure and expectations even if they had an unlimited budget.

Also—and it pains me to say this—I think there’s an argument that UNC is the least desirable of the blue blood jobs right now. The other 3 either have the right conference affiliation (UK) or they’ve proven to have the necessary financial infrastructure in place to compete at the highest level in the NIL era even though they aren’t in a P2 league (Duke and KU). Even 5 years ago I would have said UNC has the strongest argument for the best job in the country. Better location to live and raise a family compared to UK and KU, passionate fan base but not over the top to the point that they’ll legitimately make your life miserable like UK, and we don’t have the overtly negative/villainous aura around the brand that makes the rest of the country constantly root against us like Duke.

Now it’s certainly possible that our PTB finally throws down the gauntlet this off-season and pours in money that matches what the other top programs are doing. Up to this point though we haven't actually shown that level of commitment and can’t just assume that it will 100% happen. Until it does, we kinda have an unfortunate misalignment where the expectations for the program outpace what’s realistic (to be clear, I do not believe that this is a legitimate excuse for Hubert missing the tournament 2 out of 3 seasons, which is massively underachieving even taking into account that we are not spending the same as the other blue bloods).

That was long winded, but back to the original point: if UNC hypothetically fired Hubert after this season, I do not think that any realistic candidates that may have otherwise been on the fence about seriously considering our job would then have a change of heart because they feel like they wouldn’t get a long enough leash or that the expectations are unreasonable. Candidly, I bet a lot of coaches see the program struggling like this and believe that they could do a much better job even if the financial situation stays the same as what it is now. Gotta remember that these are all extremely competitive people that think highly of themselves and their ability.
 
Peppers49 said:
Can see both sides here. In my opinion the 4 traditional blue blood programs are still the top 4 jobs in the country. I’m sure there are plenty of really good coaches out there that any of those programs would at least kick the tires on in the event that their job opens up, that would say “thanks but no thanks” because they are content in their current situation and simply don’t have any interest in taking on a job with such high levels of pressure and expectations even if they had an unlimited budget.

Also—and it pains me to say this—I think there’s an argument that UNC is the least desirable of the blue blood jobs right now. The other 3 either have the right conference affiliation (UK) or they’ve proven to have the necessary financial infrastructure in place to compete at the highest level in the NIL era even though they aren’t in a P2 league (Duke and KU). Even 5 years ago I would have said UNC has the strongest argument for the best job in the country. Better location to live and raise a family compared to UK and KU, passionate fan base but not over the top to the point that they’ll legitimately make your life miserable like UK, and we don’t have the overtly negative/villainous aura around the brand that makes the rest of the country constantly root against us like Duke.

Now it’s certainly possible that our PTB finally throws down the gauntlet this off-season and pours in money that matches what the other top programs are doing. Up to this point though we haven't actually shown that level of commitment and can’t just assume that it will 100% happen. Until it does, we kinda have an unfortunate misalignment where the expectations for the program outpace what’s realistic (to be clear, I do not believe that this is a legitimate excuse for Hubert missing the tournament 2 out of 3 seasons, which is massively underachieving even taking into account that we are not spending the same as the other blue bloods).

That was long winded, but back to the original point: if UNC hypothetically fired Hubert after this season, I do not think that any realistic candidates that may have otherwise been on the fence about seriously considering our job would then have a change of heart because they feel like they wouldn’t get a long enough leash or that the expectations are unreasonable. Candidly, I bet a lot of coaches see the program struggling like this and believe that they could do a much better job even if the financial situation stays the same as what it is now. Gotta remember that these are all extremely competitive people that think highly of themselves and their ability.
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The coaching fraternity is somewhat tight and self-preserving.
Hubert getting fired after this season will be cast in a negative light by the media and will be criticized by those in the industry.
That doesn’t mean it won’t work out but it’s not going to play to well.
 
Bigs23 said:
The coaching fraternity is somewhat tight and self-preserving.
Hubert getting fired after this season will be cast in a negative light by the media and will be criticized by those in the industry.
That doesn’t mean it won’t work out but it’s not going to play to well.
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I get it, Hubert used to work in the media and has a lot of friends with a platform in his corner. If he were to get fired I’m sure at least a few of them would pound the table and say he got a raw deal. That happens to some degree with most of these moves.

The bottom line is that if you feel like a coach is in over his head and it’s not going to work out long term, worrying about a few days of former coaches or players being mad about it on ESPN shouldn’t be a reason to not make a move.
 
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