UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Bigs23 said:
We’re less than a year removed from an ACC championship and Hubert being ACC COY.

Could it be argued that it’s not completely clear that it’s not working?
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Hey, in 2001 we were ACC regular season champs (in a conference that also had the eventual national champion as well as a team that would be the following year’s national champion) and Doherty was AP national coach of the year.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Hey, in 2001 we were ACC regular season champs (in a conference that also had the eventual national champion as well as a team that would be the following year’s national champion) and Doherty was AP national coach of the year.
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Sure, that year was pretty good on the surface. That wouldn’t be considered a bad season.

8-20 however….
 
Bigs23 said:
We’re less than a year removed from an ACC championship and Hubert being ACC COY.

Could it be argued that it’s not completely clear that it’s not working?
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Sure, it definitely could. So, with that in mind, share with us things you've seen this year from HD and/or staff that would be in praise of them. Adjustments on offense, defense, mind-set, etc....anything.
 
Bigs23 said:
You don’t judge seasons by sections you judge the entirety of them.
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I strongly believe that the best way to judge a season is in 2 parts...season and post-season.

And the reason I believe this is because there's a big difference in how an entire season is viewed under the following situations:

- Team A finished the regular season unranked, loses in the quarterfinals of its conference tournament, makes the NCAA tournament as a 10 seed but then goes on a surprise run to the Final 4.

- Team B finishes the regular season ranked 22, loses in the semifinals of its conference tournament, makes the NCAA tournament as a 7 seed and gets a couple of upsets to go to the Final 4.

- Team C finishes the regular season ranked 14, loses in the finals of its conference tournament in a close game, makes the NCAA tournament as a 4 seed and makes a strong run to the Final 4.

- Team D finishes the regular season ranked 3, wins its conference tournament as the 1 seed, makes that NCAA tournament as a 1 seed and makes the Final 4 by playing well in all of its NCAAT games.

Before we know which of these 4 teams make the finals and then which wins the NC, we've got four distinct levels of "success" here for teams that attained the same level of achievement in the NCAAT.

And that's only considering teams who make the Final 4, it's another to consider teams who have a really strong regular season but don't come through in the post-season.

Of course, if you win the national championship, very little else matters for that season. But for every other team each year besides that eventual champion, how well you did in the regular season vs how you did in the conference tournament vs how you did in the NCAA tournament makes a difference in how the "season" is perceived.
 
Bigs23 said:
2 out of 3 3/4.

The 2021 season was a huge success. Those who say it wasn’t are focusing way too much on the beginning and way too little on the end. You don’t judge seasons by sections you judge the entirety of them.
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you appear to be focusing on the good stuff at the end of 21/22 while ignoring the ugly beginning and part of the middle of that season. i thought we had to judge the entirety of a season?

judging 2021/2022 in its entirety would make it approximately halfway successful, as i said. which puts us at 1.5 successful "seasons" out of 4.

even if i give you 21/22 as an overall "successful" season, 2 out of 4 is still not remotely acceptable at carolina.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Sure, it definitely could. So, with that in mind, share with us things you've seen this year from HD and/or staff that would be in praise of them. Adjustments on offense, defense, mind-set, etc....anything.
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Several second-half comebacks indicate effective coaching changes made at halftime.
Different starting line ups indicate adjustments.
Several good set plays out of timeouts throughout the season.
ETA: Creating and exploiting mismatched. NBA does it all the time. Other teams do it to Carolina. It's been good seeing Coach Davis do it, too.
 
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4thgenheel said:
you appear to be focusing on the good stuff at the end of 21/22 while ignoring the ugly beginning and part of the middle of that season. i thought we had to judge the entirety of a season?

judging 2021/2022 in its entirety would make it approximately halfway successful, as i said. which puts us at 1.5 successful "seasons" out of 4.

even if i give you 21/22 as an overall "successful" season, 2 out of 4 is still not remotely acceptable at carolina.
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The team finished 3rd in the ACC. That’s not “bad”.

Hell, the last 2 dook games made that season an epic success.

Giving that season a C is ridiculous.
 
BillOfRights said:
Several second-half comebacks indicate effective coaching changes made at halftime.
Different starting line ups indicate adjustments.
Several good set plays out of timeouts throughout the season.
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What lead to those comebacks is the question. Was it HD/staff making timely adjustments that helped the team? Was it the other teams letting their foot off of the pedal? Was it other things? (Also, consistently starting out slow is a negative on the staff. So, the second-half comebacks also highlight negatives.) It's good to see them change up the lineup. However, it's still head-scratching that they are continuing to start (and even play) RJ alongside Cadeau, and now bring Ian off the bench. For HD's offense, the best lineup they could go with would be RJ, Ian, Drake, JWit, JWash/VAL. If they want to start Cadeau, RJ, and Seth, then they should not be running the offensive sets they are. I do recall a few good plays coming out of timeouts, along with a few bad plays - on both ends of the court.

By the way, thank you for filling in for Bigs, and answering my questions. I'm looking forward to continuing seeing others point out the great things this staff has done this year.
 
stankeylegjones said:
What lead to those comebacks is the question. Was it HD/staff making timely adjustments that helped the team? Was it the other teams letting their foot off of the pedal? Was it other things? (Also, consistently starting out slow is a negative on the staff. So, the second-half comebacks also highlight negatives.) It's good to see them change up the lineup. However, it's still head-scratching that they are continuing to start (and even play) RJ alongside Cadeau, and now bring Ian off the bench. For HD's offense, the best lineup they could go with would be RJ, Ian, Drake, JWit, JWash/VAL. If they want to start Cadeau, RJ, and Seth, then they should not be running the offensive sets they are. I do recall a few good plays coming out of timeouts, along with a few bad plays - on both ends of the court.

By the way, thank you for filling in for Bigs, and answering my questions. I'm looking forward to continuing seeing others point out the great things this staff has done this year.
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How do you know so much? What is your background?
Are you as smart as you think you are?
 
Bigs23 said:
How do you know so much? What is your background?
Are you as smart as you think you are?
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Can you please stop with your typical "What's your background?" It contributes nothing to the conversation.

I've never claimed to be "smart" when it comes to basketball. I simply post what I'm seeing, and you are more than free to challenge my observations/takeaways, yet you never do. If you disagree with what I said about the lineup, or if you want to answer my first questions regarding second-half comebacks, then I'd welcome it. What are you seeing when you watch the games?
 
stankeylegjones said:
Can you please stop with your typical "What's your background?" It contributes nothing to the conversation.

I've never claimed to be "smart" when it comes to basketball. I simply post what I'm seeing, and you are more than free to challenge my observations/takeaways, yet you never do. If you disagree with what I said about the lineup, or if you want to answer my first questions regarding second-half comebacks, then I'd welcome it. What are you seeing when you watch the games?
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I’m not interested in debating with someone who thinks they have everything figured out.

I’m aware enough to know what I don’t know.

My position is simply to support these UNC guys until the end.
 
Bigs23 said:
I’m not interested in debating with someone who thinks they have everything figured out.

I’m aware enough to know what I don’t know.

My position is simply to support these UNC guys until the end.
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I don't have it figured out. Never said I did. As I said, I point out what I am seeing. You could easily point out why it's wrong or why you disagree with it. Yet, you don't. You simply say I'm wrong in that HD/staff are not ready yet for their positions. Being aware of what you don't know is a good trait to have. There's a lot of things about basketball that I don't know or understand. However, surely, someone who watches basketball can at least point out some things, no?

Do you ever want to discuss things?
 
Bigs23 said:
The team finished 3rd in the ACC. That’s not “bad”.

Hell, the last 2 dook games made that season an epic success.

Giving that season a C is ridiculous.
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i didn't give it a C.

i said it was half a good season. which is fair in light of the myriad of very poor benchmarks to go along with several very good benchmarks and because it is reflective of reality - the team was simply not very good until february. our record/results reflect that.

we got blasted in consecutive games against miami on 1/18 and wake on 1/22. like genuinely clobbered, twice in 4 days. after already getting trounced by kentucky and tennessee earlier in the season. we also took a 20 point L to dook in the dome in feb - we made up for that against that dook team twice but those earlier losses are still part of the record and the reality of that season.
 
BillOfRights said:
Several second-half comebacks indicate effective coaching changes made at halftime.
Different starting line ups indicate adjustments.
Several good set plays out of timeouts throughout the season.
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I’m with you until “set plays out of timeouts”. Whether offensive or defensive side of the ball we’ve been absolutely miserable on these.
 
stankeylegjones said:
I don't have it figured out. Never said I did. As I said, I point out what I am seeing. You could easily point out why it's wrong or why you disagree with it. Yet, you don't. You simply say I'm wrong in that HD/staff are not ready yet for their positions. Being aware of what you don't know is a good trait to have. There's a lot of things about basketball that I don't know or understand. However, surely, someone who watches basketball can at least point out some things, no?

Do you ever want to discuss things?
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Not with you.
Thanks anyway.
 
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