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UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Bigs23 said:
I don’t see much coverage on the state of UNC basketball by the national sports media and haven’t seen any saying Hubert should be fired. It’s not a big story. Now if you’re talking about social media type stuff I don’t pay attention to that.
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Of course you aren’t going to hear media personalities outright calling for Hubert to get fired. We all know that never happens unless something very serious happens off the court or field. And while it’s obviously not something that is going to dominate the news cycle, it’s still very much a talking point in the media.

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What sports journalist at present would you say focus most intently on only Carolina?

The Big Four?

The ACC?

I ask this because I generally find folks that clearly don’t do at least the ‘biggest picture’ of those things to not be worth the time.
 
Peppers49 said:
Where did I say that?
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Implied in your last sentence.

I understand that people get frustrated and want to blame someone when things don't go the way they want, and we live in a world with microscopic attention spans, but there's still quite a bit of season to play, and I don't think the coaching staff has given up. I haven't either. the game doesn't end midway through the second half.
 
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if you fire Hubert you fire Jeff Lebo , Sean May, Pat Sullivan, and Marcus Paige. That’s 5 family members. Plus you piss off Roy.

It also marks the end of the “Carolina Way”.

So even if it is something that has to be done it’s not as simple as bringing in a new guy.

It’s going to be sad ending to a unique and marvelous era.
 
Rock said:
I wonder if the athletic department will even have enough money to hire a big name coach given how much they doled out to hire Belichick.
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Pretty much going to have to pay for a new team as well. I can't think of a player I'm sure would come back if Hubert was fired. Not sure of many anyway but I'd be surprised if Trimble and Cadeau left.

I don't think this year is the right time. We found out three things early that did more to determine the course pf the season than anything else. It was a devastating blow not to get a big, this team has no natural leader and Tyson was probably the biggest flop in the portal. Since that's essentially the theme of every game this year, win or lose, piling on Hubert for every loss is a lot like trying him over and over again for the same crime.
 
BillOfRights said:
ok. my bad. You just chose to leave that part out.
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Well I guess that’s one way to put it. I’m not implying that professional playing experience isn’t valuable. My point is that the overwhelming majority of successful college basketball coaches are guys that entered into a coaching career in some form or fashion almost immediately after they finished college, and I don’t think that is a coincidence. Hubert’s career trajectory is an outlier in this regard. If you think that is inaccurate then I’d love to hear why.
 
Captain Obvious here but I think HD's security may depend on how UNC finishes the season. If the Tar Heels finish strong and even just miss out on the Tourney, he's likely to be retained (with major changes). HD, however, may be one or two bad home losses from losing his job. Fedora was fired after the 2018 season even after Bubba came out after the ECU loss and said his job was secure. Then, after suffering through multiple home losses with dwindling attendance, UNC made it's move. Mack's career ended after the inexplicable JMU debacle. Games matter.
 
Bigs23 said:
if you fire Hubert you fire Jeff Lebo , Sean May, Pat Sullivan, and Marcus Paige. That’s 5 family members. Plus you piss off Roy.

It also marks the end of the “Carolina Way”.

So even if it is something that has to be done it’s not as simple as bringing in a new guy.

It’s going to be sad ending to a unique and marvelous era.
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I think we all realize the magnitude of firing a coach. Not sure why it marks the end of the "Carolina Way." You could always bring in another from "the family." (Having said that, I hope that they actually do a legit search this time. If a Carolina person is the best choice/hire then so be it.) Finally, it's far more sad to see UNC drop in prestige due to lack-luster results, than it would be to bring in someone outside of "the family," and bring them into "the family."
 
stankeylegjones said:
I think we all realize the magnitude of firing a coach. Not sure why it marks the end of the "Carolina Way." You could always bring in another from "the family." (Having said that, I hope that they actually do a legit search this time. If a Carolina person is the best choice/hire then so be it.) Finally, it's far more sad to see UNC drop in prestige due to lack-luster results, than it would be to bring in someone outside of "the family," and bring them into "the family."
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It’s naive to believe that replacing Hubert automatically means UNC will have significantly more success moving forward. Particularly without other significant changes to the operation as a whole.

Winning in this new era of CBB doing things as close to the Carolina Way as possible was really the only chance of preserving it. That may have just been a pipe dream but it was something.

When UNC goes the way of the Auburns and Alabamas the joy of success is diluted and diminished in my eyes. Which is why I’m inclined to give Hubert more time with the appropriate adjustments to the overall infrastructure of the program. It’s the last chance.
 
Bigs23 said:
You just don’t like when the facts don’t support your theory.

That amount of time as an assistant is plenty of dues paying.
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The facts fit my theory perfectly as the location of his work is operative here.

He was an assistant at Carolina, where the team pretty much gets the best of everything. He never had to struggle at a school where you the budget won’t let you fly to all games over a small distance away and you end up with long bus rides. He’s never been at a school where you not only fly commercial, but you fly exclusively economy. He’s never been at a school where the coaching staff is regularly going janitorial or maintenance work to save money. And he’s certainly never had to scramble, network, and beg to get his position.

From the perspective of a lot of coaches, 9 years as a hand-picked assistant at Carolina before taking over as the hand-picked head coach isn’t “paying your dues”.
 
Bigs23 said:
Mack is what 75 years old? He’s also not a lifer. Not the same.
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Mack was the head of UNC football for 16 years, over two stints. That's a long time. But, I can see how one would argue he's not a "lifer." Is it just age and not being a "lifer" that made it fine for you to fire him with no plan in place?
 
Bigs23 said:
It’s naive to believe that replacing Hubert automatically means UNC will have significantly more success moving forward. Particularly without other significant changes to the operation as a whole.

Winning in this new era of CBB doing things as close to the Carolina Way as possible was really the only chance of preserving it. That may have just been a pipe dream but it was something.

When UNC goes the way of the Auburns and Alabamas the joy of success is diluted and diminished in my eyes. Which is why I’m inclined to give Hubert more time with the appropriate adjustments to the overall infrastructure of the program. It’s the last chance.
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Where did I ever say that replacing HD means UNC will have significantly more success? Why must you insert claims never stated?

The future success of UNC's next coach is not clear, but their future lack of UNC-type success under HD is pretty certain. At least it is to me. You seem to disagree with that. Yet, you have never shared with us what you are seeing from HD/staff this year that gives you reason to praise them. So, I'll ask again, what have you seen from the staff this year that are worthy of praise?
 
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