UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

[4thgenheel]

I can tell you based on some interactions and conversations with people that would be considered "close to the program" including those in media that they are all well aware that their connection to the program would be severed the instant they levy any real criticism. HD is portrayed by those folks I talk to as being exceptionally stubborn and unwilling to accept ownership of any of the shortcomings of the current team or the program overall. Take that for what it is worth.

big yikes.

 

[Bigs23]

I think there’s a subset of our fan base that only pays attention to UNC basketball and doesn’t really have a pulse on the current national discourse and coverage of the sport. When UNC is discussed in that context lately, they aren’t talking about our excellent defensive switching on the final possession of regulation to force OT against BC. They’re asking what is wrong with the program in the big picture and whether or not Hubert Davis is capable of running the program successfully long term. If he were to get fired it would absolutely not be viewed in the media as some unexpected knee jerk reaction by UNC.

I don’t see much coverage on the state of UNC basketball by the national sports media and haven’t seen any saying Hubert should be fired. It’s not a big story. Now if you’re talking about social media type stuff I don’t pay attention to that.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I don’t see much coverage on the state of UNC basketball by the national sports media and haven’t seen any saying Hubert should be fired. It’s not a big story. Now if you’re talking about social media type stuff I don’t pay attention to that.

I posted an article by Wolken stating exactly that. The Field of 68 has, on several occasions, discussed this in great detail.

Simply google Hubert Davis. You’ll have as much content as you want to read.

 

[4thgenheel]

You just don’t like when the facts don’t support your theory.

That amount of time as an assistant is plenty of dues paying.

not sure if that amount of time as just an assistant is actually enough dues paid to get the head gig at UNC in this day and age.

esp now that it really appears to not be working out. time to pull the plug.

 

[4thgenheel]

I posted an article by Wolken stating exactly that. The Field of 68 has, on several occasions, discussed this in great detail.

Simply google Hubert Davis. You’ll have as much content as you want to read.

Brendan Marks who covers unc and dook for The Athletic has been talking about it for some time.

HD's status at UNC is absolutely a story that is percolating around amongst UNCBB media and CBB media at large.

 

[Bigs23]

not sure if that amount of time as just an assistant is actually enough dues paid to get the head gig at UNC in this day and age.

esp now that it really appears to not be working out. time to pull the plug.

An assistant for a decade at the program under the tutelage under the guy you are taking over for is plenty.

Predicting success is not an exact science.

I’m not saying that Hubert is the guy but there’s no guarantee that the next coach will be either.

If you’re going to fire a lifer you better have one helluva a plan to replace him.

 

[Peppers49]

I gotta say that the idea that Roy Williams didn't pay his dues is utterly ridiculous. I know snoop is only saying what he heard others saying, but those people should be ignored. The man sold calendars door to door to make ends meet just so he could learn under Dean Smith. He took over a KU program with major sanctions against them, so it wasn't like the program was in a great spot when he took over. A big reason KU has remained a blue blood is Roy Williams, if they made a wrong hire back then it may be a different story.

Yeah Roy might not have spent a decade+ working his way through the assistant and then head coaching ranks at smaller college programs before he got his big break like a lot of coaches do, but he has still always been a career coach and went straight into the profession after his time at UNC. Not really fair to say he didn’t “pay his dues”.

Frankly I don’t like framing the discussion about Hubert in terms of “paying dues” anyways. Feels a bit harsh and no coach’s career trajectory is going to be the same as another’s. Even still, the fact is that almost every college coach went straight into the coaching profession in some form or another very quickly following their college graduation. Hubert going 20 years from the time he left UNC as a student before he actually entered the coaching world undeniably makes him a major outlier among other big time coaches.

 

[stankeylegjones]

An assistant for a decade at the program under the tutelage under the guy you are taking over for is plenty.

Predicting success is not an exact science.

I’m not saying that Hubert is the guy but there’s no guarantee that the next coach will be either.

If you’re going to fire a lifer you better have one helluva a plan to replace him.

Did you agree with Bubba firing Mack?

 

[BillOfRights]

Yeah Roy might not have spent a decade+ working his way through the assistant and then head coaching ranks at smaller college programs before he got his big break like a lot of coaches do, but he has still always been a career coach and went straight into the profession after his time at UNC. Not really fair to say he didn’t “pay his dues”.

Frankly I don’t like framing the discussion about Hubert in terms of “paying dues” anyways. Feels a bit harsh and no coach’s career trajectory is going to be the same as another’s. Even still, the fact is that almost every college coach went straight into the coaching profession in some form or another very quickly following their college graduation. Hubert going 20 years from the time he left UNC as a student before he actually entered the coaching world undeniably makes him a major outlier among other big time coaches.

So I guess those years playing professionally at the highest level, with and against the best in the world, and learning from Hall of Fame coaches doesn't count.

 

[Peppers49]

I don’t see much coverage on the state of UNC basketball by the national sports media and haven’t seen any saying Hubert should be fired. It’s not a big story. Now if you’re talking about social media type stuff I don’t pay attention to that.

Of course you aren’t going to hear media personalities outright calling for Hubert to get fired. We all know that never happens unless something very serious happens off the court or field. And while it’s obviously not something that is going to dominate the news cycle, it’s still very much a talking point in the media.

ESPN's Scott Van Pelt perplexed by UNC's current state of basketball program: 'You're North Carolina' | Sporting News

With North Carolina at 13-9 and in danger of missing out on the NCAA Tournament, ESPN's Scott Van Pelt shared his thought on the current state of the program.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Peppers49]

So I guess those years playing professionally at the highest level, with and against the best in the world, and learning from Hall of Fame coaches doesn't count.

Where did I say that?

 

[donbosco]

What sports journalist at present would you say focus most intently on only Carolina?

The Big Four?

The ACC?

I ask this because I generally find folks that clearly don’t do at least the ‘biggest picture’ of those things to not be worth the time.

 

[BillOfRights]

Where did I say that?

Implied in your last sentence.

I understand that people get frustrated and want to blame someone when things don't go the way they want, and we live in a world with microscopic attention spans, but there's still quite a bit of season to play, and I don't think the coaching staff has given up. I haven't either. the game doesn't end midway through the second half.

 

[Bigs23]

Did you agree with Bubba firing Mack?

Yes

 

[Peppers49]

Implied in your last sentence.

No it wasn’t.

 

[BillOfRights]

No it wasn’t.

ok. my bad. You just chose to leave that part out.

 

[Bigs23]

if you fire Hubert you fire Jeff Lebo , Sean May, Pat Sullivan, and Marcus Paige. That’s 5 family members. Plus you piss off Roy.

It also marks the end of the “Carolina Way”.

So even if it is something that has to be done it’s not as simple as bringing in a new guy.

It’s going to be sad ending to a unique and marvelous era.

 

[finesse]

I wonder if the athletic department will even have enough money to hire a big name coach given how much they doled out to hire Belichick.

Pretty much going to have to pay for a new team as well. I can't think of a player I'm sure would come back if Hubert was fired. Not sure of many anyway but I'd be surprised if Trimble and Cadeau left.

I don't think this year is the right time. We found out three things early that did more to determine the course pf the season than anything else. It was a devastating blow not to get a big, this team has no natural leader and Tyson was probably the biggest flop in the portal. Since that's essentially the theme of every game this year, win or lose, piling on Hubert for every loss is a lot like trying him over and over again for the same crime.

 

[Peppers49]

ok. my bad. You just chose to leave that part out.

Well I guess that’s one way to put it. I’m not implying that professional playing experience isn’t valuable. My point is that the overwhelming majority of successful college basketball coaches are guys that entered into a coaching career in some form or fashion almost immediately after they finished college, and I don’t think that is a coincidence. Hubert’s career trajectory is an outlier in this regard. If you think that is inaccurate then I’d love to hear why.

 

[Ramrouser]

Captain Obvious here but I think HD's security may depend on how UNC finishes the season. If the Tar Heels finish strong and even just miss out on the Tourney, he's likely to be retained (with major changes). HD, however, may be one or two bad home losses from losing his job. Fedora was fired after the 2018 season even after Bubba came out after the ECU loss and said his job was secure. Then, after suffering through multiple home losses with dwindling attendance, UNC made it's move. Mack's career ended after the inexplicable JMU debacle. Games matter.