UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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Paine said:
I think Hubert has to ask for this sort of monetary commitment 1. If he wants to keep his job and 2. If he wants Carolina to continue being an elite CBB destination.

Re: NIL this past year, it seems like a lot of schools offer cash straight up. Carolina seemed to get into that game this past year, but they also continued to sell developing players’ value after signing via brand deals. The latter pitch of investment may not be as viable as the staff thought.

Bringing BB into our football team shows me the PTB are willing to invest in cash up front NIL along with upcoming rev share. Bottom line, Hubert has to advocate for himself and the program. His disposition as a coach doesn’t seem to lend itself towards this type of lobbying, so we’ll see what happens I guess.

If we do decide to move on from Davis, I think we should seriously consider an NBA AC (or HC if willing) and go the Belichick route with basketball.
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Your second to last paragraph is a great point. A crucial part of a college coach’s skill set in this new era is being able to lobby and get alignment with the PTB behind the scenes. To be fair to Hubert, what exactly that looks like wasn’t quite as obvious back in April 2021 when he was hired. He already did “raise the alarm” about NIL a few months ago, so we’ll see how he navigates that this next offseason.
 
StoneColdHeel said:
I am getting so I prefer to record the games and only watch them if the Heels win instead of watching it live, unless they are playing Duke or in the NCAA tournament.
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This has been me for years. I get entirely too emotional during games. During a Carolina/dook game years ago, I was so worked up, my dog had a massive accident in the living room. Ever since then, I’ve recorded and watched later (with a few exceptions)
 
SnoopRob said:
I think we've had some NIL issues, but I don't think it's the only major issue.

My comment is more about the future...what do we do if we end up in a "make or break" season for HD and he wants to push a lot of NIL chips into the game. Do we have it do so and do we let HD have it to work with? And if the answer to either of those questions is "no", how do you give HD another season to figure it out without the NIL resources to do so?
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To be honest, I think if you are going to cut ties with HD, it'd be better to do it before the end of the season. It's next-to-impossible for a "deadman walking" to recruit either high school players or portal players. Especially when it's clear that HD is already not able to get them to commit to him. I just don't see how you can give him another year to figure it out if this year continues as is, or even slightly improves.
 
stankeylegjones said:
To be honest, I think if you are going to cut ties with HD, it'd be better to do it before the end of the season. It's next-to-impossible for a "deadman walking" to recruit either high school players or portal players. Especially when it's clear that HD is already not able to get them to commit to him. I just don't see how you can give him another year to figure it out if this year continues as is, or even slightly improves.
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Good point. In football, we did that with Mack - gave him the dead man walking year after 5 years of not hitting it out of the park with Howell/Maye.
 
StoneColdHeel said:
Yeah, beating dook at K's last home game and the run in the tourney and beating dook again in the Final 4 was an awesome ride. But it really was all about Manek getting hot and Love hitting some ridiculous shots at the right time. I think some forget how that season was until the tourney run and the Heels were close to not even being in it.
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Sure, but a lot of people also seemed to have forgotten what happened last season before the loss to Alabama.
 
Ramrouser said:
I think there's a new sheriff in town - Chancellor Lee Roberts. He's a business minded leader of the University who (along with others) completely changed the landscape for athletics at UNC with the Belichick hire + NIL commitments. He's going to view HD's underperforming team(s) as a drag on UNC bb's revenue and act accordingly. Like others have said, adapt (fast) to the current realities or die.

HD probably deserves another season with a bump in NIL budget unless the season implodes.
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Lee Roberts is a dookie. He’ll probably try to sabotage the basketball program (as a dookie, he doesn’t care about football, so he’d have no problem with UNC’s success on that end).
 
PTOHeel said:
Tubby Smith at Kentucky was pushed out with a 76% win percentage, an NCAA championship, and never missing the NCAA tournament.
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That was a bad look.
PTOHeel said:
Tubby Smith at Kentucky was pushed out with a 76% win percentage, an NCAA championship, and never missing the NCAA tournament.
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PTOHeel said:
Tubby Smith at Kentucky was pushed out with a 76% win percentage, an NCAA championship, and never missing the NCAA tournament.
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He wasn’t technically fired. UK sold their soul to Shady.
 
Bigs23 said:
Sure, but a lot of people also seemed to have forgotten what happened last season before the loss to Alabama.
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Bigs23 said:
Sure, but a lot of people also seemed to have forgotten what happened last season before the loss to Alabama.
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We had a good season last year, but it was a bit of a mixed bag from the end of January onwards. While we did win the ACC regular season, we weren't playing our best basketball in the final month of games and underachieved a bit in March. I loved the win in Durham, but we were extremely fortunate that Cormac had the game of his life, because nobody else (except probably Ingram) played well. Although State did go on a great run in the NCAA Tourney, we still should have beaten them in the ACCT Final - especially given that they had played so many games in consecutive days, and the fact we had not won the ACCT Final since 2016. We also struggled to beat Pitt the day before that. We played well the first two NCAAT games, granted. I think Hubert's player usage decisions against Alabama - particularly in the second half - were questionable and may have hurt our chances.
 
I wanted Hubert to be the guy. He was one of my favorite players when I was growing up and he’s a Heel. With that said, I thought it was an incredibly lazy hire. Roy had a few years that were not up to par. I’m not sure I would have just listened to his recommendation and go immediately with it.

The “modernization” of UNC basketball hasn’t worked. That’s what Hubert was supposed to bring. What I see is selfish, iso ball. It’s actually not really selfish as that seems to be the strategy. The offense is set a high ball screen and see if the guard can break the defense down and kick it to shooters. If that’s we’l-guarded, forget it. The offense is ugly as hell.

This years roster is fundamentally flawed and it would be easy to say - Hubert didn’t get a center but everyone miss sometimes. It’s not really that easy. He watched Jalen Washington in practice for two years and somehow came to the conclusion that he might be the answer. NIL dollars were redirected from post needs to Tyson, who is totally unneeded.

Hubert had a pretty bad first year that ended magically. He had one of the worst seasons in Carolina history the second year. He grabbed a 1 seed but lost in the sweet sixteen in year 3 and this team is a total mess. Usually you know by year 3. I don’t think Hubert is going to be the coach here long term. I think we all know it but it’s just hard to say it. When you do realize it though, it’s always better to go ahead and make the move.

Carolina basketball (even when not amazing) has always been fun to watch. Under Davis, we aren’t. That’s worst than being bad especially in 2024.
 
Bigs23 said:
That was a bad look.



He wasn’t technically fired. UK sold their soul to Shady.
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I know. That's why I used "pushed out." Not defending it at all. It's just what popped into my head thinking of good coaches that didn't last at a particular school.
 
PTOHeel said:
I know. That's why I used "pushed out." Not defending it at all. It's just what popped into my head thinking of good coaches that didn't last at a particular school.
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Yeah, there just haven’t been many coaches with a 70% win % and a clean record who have gotten the boot.
 
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